Installed PML deep pan and Transgo kit

Stan Wright · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:12 am

I installed the PML deep pan, TransGo shift kit, and new filters yesterday. It was all straightforward. I had to modify the skidplate for the new pan. I documented the installs at:

http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/deeppan.htm
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/transgo.htm

I took the Jeep on a short test drive. The shifts are firm and quicker but not harsh or chirpy.

Ian Wendt · **Joined:** Sat May 20, 2006 2:08 am **Posts:** 15

Goddamn, you're brave! I can see replacing the pan, I would have no trouble doing that, but messing with the transmission like that... That makes me nervous

Nice bit of work there!

Ripster · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:06 pm

Its worth it, but its out there, nice write up and photos, my hands, arms upper body had
too much oil, left the camera out of it, but I recognize all the photos and the oil drops.

TDI4BY · **Joined:** Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 pm **Posts:** 644

I would like to follow this one.....

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Ok, now that the TransGo Shift kit has some miles on them - is the infamous 545RFE CRD 55-65 tranny shudder still gone? If it's still working I will probably install one as soon as the new egr and turbo repairs are done.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:39 pm

I just worry about the back of the skid offroad. The way it hangs down at the crossmember...seems it could cause a problem if you tried to back up and caught it on a rock. I wonder if you spaced the front down 3/4", if you could reduce the rear spacer to 3/4"...or something to that effect. I would think or either making a custom pan ,,,or,,, make a block that goes where the two spacers are now. Something more solid that spreads out the weight if you comedown on something offroad.

I bet for towing the larger capacity is a big plus. Between that and the "shift kit" it would most likely help fuel mileage while towing. Nice Job!

Stan Wright · **Posted:** Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:58 pm

Ranger1 wrote:

Ok, now that the TransGo Shift kit has some miles on them - is the infamous 545RFE CRD 55-65 tranny shudder still gone? If it's still working I will probably install one as soon as the new egr and turbo repairs are done.

The shift kit is doing fine. I only noticed the shutter once before I installed the kit so it wasn't a problem for me. I haven't experienced it since installing the kit.

For the first month or so the shift kit seemed a little inconsistent. Sometimes it would shift firmer/harder than others, especially the 2-3 shift. Now it seems very consistent and all the shifts feel good. I guess it needed time to break in or burp some air bubbles or something.

Stan Wright · **Posted:** Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:07 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

I just worry about the back of the skid offroad. The way it hangs down at the crossmember...seems it could cause a problem if you tried to back up and caught it on a rock. I wonder if you spaced the front down 3/4", if you could reduce the rear spacer to 3/4"...or something to that effect. I would think or either making a custom pan ,,,or,,, make a block that goes where the two spacers are now. Something more solid that spreads out the weight if you comedown on something offroad.

I bet for towing the larger capacity is a big plus. Between that and the "shift kit" it would most likely help fuel mileage while towing. Nice Job!

I agree. For what I do it will be fine, but if you offroad a lot you'd want something better...probably a thicker plate that is more formed for the pan and fits flush at both ends.

Tom_with_a_Dream · **Posted:** Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:22 pm

Hey Stan -

Did you see that PML gave you props on their Trans Pan page for your install? Nice work.

Everyone -
Does the fact that they include a boss for the trans oil temp sender mean that is the best place to measure the trans oil temp? I would have assumed we'd measure out of the cooler or into the pump or some thing more dynamic than the sump. Advice or education, please.

Same thing for the engine oil temp.

I am installing EGT, Boost, Trans Oil Temp, Engine Oil Temp, and Volts in the next 30 days (hopefully) and would love any pre-feedback (feed-forward for you programmers).
- EGT will most likely go post turbo similar to Ripster (no interest in fragging my turbo and I just need a trend when hauling)
- Boost will most likely go pre-intercooler similar to Ripster
- Trans Oil Temp will be a sump temp ??
- Engine Oil Temp will be a sump temp ?? Is there a similar boss on the engine oil pan?
- Volts are all the same (discounting droop, etc) so that should be easy

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I am considering the Transgo kit but I was thinking I'd wait until I was out of warranty. Is that a concern? If not, I may go ahead and splurge. I'd rather spend the bucks now than spend the time stranded on the side of road...

I'm still trying to get my CEL to clear for longer than 20 miles (EGR again, 3rd so far). That, and I am busy putting some miles on my new TC. It has driven just like new since I got it back, with nothing done to the trans (caught the first bang and had it to the shop within 20 very gentle miles). "Like new" means that it gets confused on which gear it wants to be in near a few speeds (20s, 30, and 50s) and it hunts for a second, but the pull and behavior is perfect when actually driving with the accelerator.

Anyway, if I'm going to follow Stan-the-Leader and add the deep pan (with the convenient temp-sender boss) after I am satisfied with my TC and EGR, I might as well leave the Tran Oil Temp gauge installed but un-connected. I can't think of what that would hurt, right?

Tom_with_a_Dream · **Posted:** Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:36 pm

Forgot the link...

PML paying Stan for his hard work. (fixed link)

And Stan, that self-installed TransGo kit is wickedly courageous. I am reminded of an ad I saw in some Hot Rod magazine... I can't find it online anywhere, but its an xray of a guy with bowling balls in lieu of his natural equipment.

Stan Wright · **Posted:** Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:13 am

Tom_with_a_Dream wrote:

Hey Stan -
Did you see that PML gave you props on their Trans Pan page for your install? Nice work.

Thanks. When I ordered the pan Brent Lottman (the owner?) sent me an email to make sure I thought it would fit, as apparently no one had put one on a CRD before. I thought it would, and he asked that I take some before/during/after pictures for him. It was no problem as I usually photo document my mods anyway. In what I thought was a generous and classy gesture, PML drilled and tapped the temperature sender port for free. After I sent the pictures they emailed and asked my permission to put them on their site.

Let us know how the gauge install goes. Mine are still in the box gathering dust. I'm hoping to get some stuff done over the long weekend.

As for the trans temp sender location, if I could have found a good place to install it in the cooler out line I would have. There's not much room around there for any extra stuff. Putting the sender in the pan ended up being more convenient.

Stan Wright · **Posted:** Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:25 am

Tom_with_a_Dream wrote:

And Stan, that self-installed TransGo kit is wickedly courageous. I am reminded of an ad I saw in some Hot Rod magazine... I can't find it online anywhere, but its an xray of a guy with bowling balls in lieu of his natural equipment.

Well...you know...it's hard to find pants that fit well...

I can't take much credit, though, other than the photo documentation. I was following Ripster's and Marauderer's footsteps installing the shift kit. The installation isn't hard to do. It justs takes some time and patience.

Tom_with_a_Dream · **Posted:** Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:45 am

I was poking around the TransGo site (APS Precision owns them ?) and saw this little gem (about halfway down the page). Does anyone think this would solve our shudder?

Quote:

Modified Switch Valve
This APS exclusive valve corrects the release timing of the Torque Converter Clutch oil release circuit which does not exhaust properly when TCC apply is called for - causing shudder and soft apply. It can be added to shift kits or valve bodies

Can anyone tell me why they list three kits for our trans (Performance, Junior, and Super) but then sell four versions (Professional, Power Pack, Super Power Pack, and Ultimate Super etc)?
The four for sale are easy to understand, each includes the previous but more goodies are added. But I am just confused.
My bad, I see the Liberty only get two choices, Basic and Performance. Are these the Junior and Performance?

Which one should I be aiming towards if I never intend to race my Jeeplet but I do intend to own it until 2016 and tow right up to the 5000 lb limit, for hundreds of miles, several times a year?

Tom_with_a_Dream · **Posted:** Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:48 am

No offense to those who have gone before, of course. I just haven't kept up to speed around here. Busy at work (waa) and out of my Jeeplet for a month didn't help any.

But I am back now...

Ripster · **Posted:** Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:54 am

I did not find a photo of this modified switch valve or where it goes, cost is reasonable if it works at $35

jeepcrd · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:36 am

Can anyone tell me what's in the big flat filter pictured below on the left? Is it just a large diameter particle screen, or more of a paper filter??? I'm wondering how easily it could become clogged...

RFCRD · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:18 pm

jeepcrd wrote:

Can anyone tell me what's in the big flat filter pictured below on the left? Is it just a large diameter particle screen, or more of a paper filter??? I'm wondering how easily it could become clogged...

I had my filter TSB done today and got to watch and talk to the tech. It sounded like the big filter has an internal paper element. Most any metal shaving will end up on a small magnet in the corner of the pan. Mine was clean @ 15.5K, not uncommon to find some filings at the 30K regular service interval. The spin-on is the cooler line filter which I was told contains the check valve that is defective in the TSB.

Installed PML deep pan and Transgo kit

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