ARB Measurements

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:47 am

Tell us about the herculined ARB, Grumpee. Why did you coat that thing. I am going to color match mine to my black, so I am looking at doing something to it that is black.

How long ago did you do that? All the details you can tell would be great.

Rock Lizard · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:00 pm

Just a tip to help you in your fabrication, since you're a "poor college" student.

Mocking up a bumper can get costly if you do it out of steel, and your first, and even second or third may not quite be exactly how you want it. What I use is some foam poster board from Office Depot which is exactly 3/16" thick. It is easy to cut with a sharp razor blade, and with a cheap hot glue gun, you can weld it together. You can get the big 40 (48?) x 60" sheets at Office Depot for about $15, a glue gun and a big bag of glue sticks for about $5 at WalMart, and make anything you want. Saves a lot of money in prototyping, so you can get all the measurements real dang close with the foam board before making the actual bumper.

Rear bumper:

Front bumper:

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:36 pm

I really think you need to skip asking here for measurements of a product that definitely has a patent. If you are going to build your own for economic reasons...I totally understand. But using this forum to take direct measurements of an ARB Product or any other companies product is not acceptable. Sure every1 gets "ideas" from things they see, but you are going beyond that in this case. Ethics is a college course that you might think of enrolling in next semester...they will take you a long way in life.

Marty, the post directly above this one, gave you the way to design and build your OWN bumper. Take advantage of his helpful suggestions and build away...with pics of course.

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:51 pm

HERE HERE DARBY!!!!!!!!!!

You Rock Dude!

elephantrider · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:14 pm

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:51 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

I really think you need to skip asking here for measurements of a product that definitely has a patent. If you are going to build your own for economic reasons...I totally understand. But using this forum to take direct measurements of an ARB Product or any other companies product is not acceptable. Sure every1 gets "ideas" from things they see, but you are going beyond that in this case. Ethics is a college course that you might think of enrolling in next semester...they will take you a long way in life.

Marty, the post directly above this one, gave you the way to design and build your OWN bumper. Take advantage of his helpful suggestions and build away...with pics of course.

okay well its time to get off your high horse there Darby, who the heck said that I was going to copy ARB?? someone may have said it but I NEVER said that and I have no plans to I was just wanting to get some measurements w/o taking my bumper off for right now until I have most everything Im gonna need, now yes mine might have some similar qualities and looks but it WILL be different, mine will not be as rounded, I will not be covering up the grille like ARB, it will have the shckles up on the bumper, will not weigh as much

oh and your little ethics joke, obvisouly I have some or else I would buy ARB's bumper get the measurements off of it and then return it but Im not

sorry Im not trying to be a complete jerk here or anything but your accousing me of something I have no intentions of doing, and now everyone is gonna post their little smilely face guy rolling their eyes b/c of this post lol so let me save you all the trouble...... :roll:

....yes I know stupid college kid!

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:15 pm

This has nothing to do with "Getting off my High Horse"...you ARE asking for exact measurements of someones product. There are plenty of pics of ARB bumpers to get ideas...but asking for "detailed" measurements is nothing less than what it appears to be. Just because you are "going" to build your own bumper...this is not the place to get detailed measurements and then state that you need them because you don't want to take off your bumper at the moment and get your own measurements to guage what you will need to build a bumper. No matter how you choose to look at it, the bottom line is that it is shady. I wonder what the response would have been if you had contacted ARB directly and asked them for all the measurements of the bumper...That would have been the correct thing to do?

You might not have meant it to appear that way but your explaination makes it look more like what it is...the best advice would be to just drop it since there has been "No Harm...No Foul" and build your bumper. Like I said in my first post...be sure to include pics of your build and finished product.

No Smiles

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:45 pm

Again!!

Here Here Darby!!!

jsc7002, You yourself said that you wanted the messurments to build your own. I applaud RL and others for wanting to help you in your design. BUT, Unless yours is a tube bumper then it will be looked at in the light in which you have cast it.

And That is, An ARB copy.

Keep in mind that ABR has engineered theirs to take abuse and that is why it is so beefy and has the weight it has. If all you want is another bumper then be careful in that the bumper needs a structure and a Backbone to do what it is designed to do. I am sure that if ARB could have used thinner materials to keep the weight down, then they would have. One of the things that is their biggest problem with selling their bumpers is the inherant shipping costs. QUALITY HAS IT'S PRICE.

Good Luck

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:21 pm

your right everyone will say thats what it is prolly which is fine no it will not be the exact same but it prolly will end up looking very similar, but I have tried to make it different, the way I have it designed is a little bit of all the bumpers I have seen made for the KJ and I really dont care I just want a new bumper that can take abuse and gives me a front recovery point, and there may not be any weight difference b/c mine will be able to take alot of abuse and I plan on gusseting the hech outta the back side for extra strength

what thickness should I use? Stick with Marty's suggestion and use 1/8"? or do what most wrangler bumpers are made from and use 3/16"?

......hmmm.... I should prolly start my homework now

lol considering its due tommarrow

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:32 pm

Quote:

what thickness should I use? Stick with Marty's suggestion and use 1/8"? or do what most wrangler bumpers are made from and use 3/16"?

Well if your worried about weight use 1/8" with the mounts and recovery points 1/4",if you make the whole thing out of 3/16" and is about the same size as a ARB then your looking at way over a 100lbs alone,probally closer the 120lbs.

Rush345 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:22 pm

As already stated a tube bumper would be nice but I spent an evening a short time ago playing photo shop and tried showing a Smitty built on my KJ. I had one before on my old pick up and really loved it, the stength and design was great. But when I tried it on a KJ it just didn't look right. As I searched some more and saw AL's bumper with the stock turn signals I saw in my opinion the perct bumper strong, durable and yet had all the look of something that could have been made and installed from the factory. Since they are no longer made, if somebody wants to copy a design this is the one that I think would have a long waiting list line of buyers.
Just my $.02 worth. :twisted:

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:56 pm

ya it is a good design actually that was what i was going to make but i want something that looks more like a stock bumper

im not worried about weight im more worried about saftey either way i could get it to work i have a plan in mind for both 1/8" and 3/16" which wouldnt weigh that much about the same as ARB does, im just thinking if im in a frontal wreck whats gonna happen the 3/16" it tuff thats why its also used for skid plates

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:03 am

jsc7002 wrote:

im just thinking if im in a frontal wreck whats gonna happen the 3/16" it tuff thats why its also used for skid plates

Then don't mess with the bumper at all. If the KJ would've been safer with a steel bumper, don't you think DC would've put one on it?

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:08 am

i didnt say im trying to make it safer, but i dont want to make it like a tank and not be able to set my air bags off properly

Jeger · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:44 am

So do you have some drawings you could share? Im interested to see what you come up with.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:43 am

ya i suppose i can put them up and then maybe get a few suggestions from you all, ill try to do it tonight

elephantrider · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:55 am

be careful not to impact any patent secrets
someone might steal YOUR idea. :lol:

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:44 pm

ok here are the 5 KJ bumpers i stole ideas from there is a little bit of each of these in my design although some might be hard to see they are there and actually i dont think i got any ideas from from RL's, but it will look some what similar, mine mostly looks like Christopher's, ARB and All J's

here are a couple of my ideas:
there are just small changes in some but they are all different, i promise, lol although i have been working on these for a couple hours

A

B

C

D

E

F

okay C and F are really close to the same but not quite, right now Im leaning towards one of them and im debating about adding a bull bar which would make it even more like ARB's, also im thinking about adding the holes for fog lights like ARB's and put in some off-road lights

this is prolly not exactly what you were wanting though is it?, Jeger I have drawing but i dont want to mess with scanning them onto the computer right now

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:04 pm

A or F looks the best IMO.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:15 pm

you dont thint A is angled too much above the wheels?

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