Top speed in Liberty ( so far)

KJMedic · **Posted:** Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:30 am

Need a reason not to speed

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So, how's the good old ball joint doing today?

Not that it won't kill you at 45mph but I would rather try to control my libby at 45 or 55mph than at 110. (not that I know it will go that fast).

MattyMac1 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:08 am

Went 136mph coming home from Foxwoods early Sunday morning in the BMW. The sun was just coming up, nobody on the road, I mean nobody, could see for miles and miles in front of me.. When I hit 136 I slowed back down to about 85 which felt like 45 for the rest of the ride home. :twisted:

streetKJ · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:56 am

I was riding in the same car when my friend was killed while her boyfriend was doing 80mph on a 35mph winding backroad and slammed into a tree. Her boyfriend and the friend sitting next to me had an airlift for each of them which cost $10,000. The guy sitting next to me broke most of the left side of his face when he slammed into my forehead, requiring over $100,000 worth of surgery and three titanium plates put in to help put everything back together, on top of needing the use of the Jaws of Life to free him from the wreckage. I assume my friend was killed by a combination of a concussion and contusion, and it was one of the toughest moments of my life watching her pass away before my very eyes as the pleural space around her lungs expanded, suffocating her in the process. My 10 minute ride to the hospital was $800, and I was the luckiest of the bunch, walking away with cuts and bruises only. I would get home from the ER by 4:30am that night, only to see the very surreal scene of the accident on Fox News with the car being hauled out of the area.

With that said, its stupid to speed. But it's only human nature at play. If people make a fast car, there are other people who will find out just how fast it can go.

The KJ is not a fast car, but I have driven it to 115mph with traffic nearby. There is a certain rush to breaking the law and risking death. It's similar to the rush someone gets from doing drugs (and I know because I'm in the medical field, and I used to do lots of drugs).

People can preach all they want about being safe, and I agree with them as much as they are entitled to their opinion. There are those who live on the edge regardless, and it might take something really bad to make them realize how valuable and fragile life is.

Did I learn my lesson after what happened? Certainly. But I am also entitled to my own catastrophe.

I would rather die in a fiery car crash than in my bed, or getting run over, or by some disease, or by random gang violence.

But thats just me. :wink:

Albert · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:38 pm

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:12 pm

Albert wrote:

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear about that.

I believe this is the best reason NOT to speed.

moose · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:37 pm

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Albert wrote:

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear about that.

I believe this is the best reason NOT to speed.

People who risk their life by driving fast, lifting their jeep and turn too fast, going in rides with people who speed, motorcycle w/o a helmet, practice unsafe intercourse, stick anything but their elbows in their ear, pass without flashing and honking, jaywalk, litter, don't chew their food enough, smoke, drink, dui, or anything else I forgot, desirve what they get. I know it sounds mean, and I'm sorry if it hurts, but bad choices can hurt. It's natures way of saying "what the ^$% were you thinking?". I have made bad choices; I've paid the price; I've learned how to make better choices. Some choices I shouldn't have walked away from, but the fates are fickle and I'm still here.

However, I still think that all of these rightious "don't speed" posts are off topic and desirve their own thread.

gone_jeepin · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:41 pm

moose wrote:

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Albert wrote:

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear about that.

I believe this is the best reason NOT to speed.

People who risk their life by driving fast, lifting their jeep and turn too fast, going in rides with people who speed, motorcycle w/o a helmet, practice unsafe intercourse, stick anything but their elbows in their ear, pass without flashing and honking, jaywalk, litter, don't chew their food enough, smoke, drink, dui, or anything else I forgot, desirve what they get. I know it sounds mean, and I'm sorry if it hurts, but bad choices can hurt. It's natures way of saying "what the ^$% were you thinking?". I have made bad choices; I've paid the price; I've learned how to make better choices. Some choices I shouldn't have walked away from, but the fates are fickle and I'm still here.

However, I still think that all of these rightious "don't speed" posts are off topic and desirve their own thread.

No offence but your a little crazy!! You would have to be trapped in a bubble to not do some of that stuff. And i agree with you that people get what they deserve, but you also have to sympathize a little, cause i guarrantee you that your not thinking about dying when you do most of that stuff!!!!

moose · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:56 pm

gone_jeepin wrote:

moose wrote:

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Albert wrote:

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear about that.

I believe this is the best reason NOT to speed.

People who risk their life by driving fast, lifting their jeep and turn too fast, going in rides with people who speed, motorcycle w/o a helmet, practice unsafe intercourse, stick anything but their elbows in their ear, pass without flashing and honking, jaywalk, litter, don't chew their food enough, smoke, drink, dui, or anything else I forgot, desirve what they get. I know it sounds mean, and I'm sorry if it hurts, but bad choices can hurt. It's natures way of saying "what the ^$% were you thinking?". I have made bad choices; I've paid the price; I've learned how to make better choices. Some choices I shouldn't have walked away from, but the fates are fickle and I'm still here.

However, I still think that all of these rightious "don't speed" posts are off topic and desirve their own thread.

No offence but your a little crazy!! You would have to be trapped in a bubble to not do some of that stuff. And i agree with you that people get what they deserve, but you also have to sympathize a little, cause i guarrantee you that your not thinking about dying when you do most of that stuff!!!!

Crazy? Maybe (and no offence taken). I made the list on purpose. Is the speeding wrong because I might kill myself or someone else? If you're only worried about the bystanders, then I'd remove the sticking things in your ear and the chewing. My point, by making the list this way, was to find out where the line is. Is it at 75mph? 85? 95? What about my second hand smoke? What about the litter that kills an a bunny? a snake? And, yes, ever since my first brush with death, I do think about it EVERY time I speed, drink, jaywalk, fornicate, etc. (ok, not a whole lot on that last one, but still...). I'm sure that a majority of those that buy the farm have had at least one brush with mortality (or logically knew the danger the MIGTH get them selves into - but it'll never happen to me...). Sympathize? Only for the wasted potential that some had, or the innocent bystanders (and I've had that in my family). I guess I'm a little old school on personal responsibility for your actions.

also - sorry for yet another off-topic post.

gone_jeepin · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:42 pm

moose wrote:

Crazy? Maybe (and no offence taken). I made the list on purpose. Is the speeding wrong because I might kill myself or someone else? If you're only worried about the bystanders, then I'd remove the sticking things in your ear and the chewing. My point, by making the list this way, was to find out where the line is. Is it at 75mph? 85? 95? What about my second hand smoke? What about the litter that kills an a bunny? a snake? And, yes, ever since my first brush with death, I do think about it EVERY time I speed, drink, jaywalk, fornicate, etc. (ok, not a whole lot on that last one, but still...). I'm sure that a majority of those that buy the farm have had at least one brush with mortality (or logically knew the danger the MIGTH get them selves into - but it'll never happen to me...). Sympathize? Only for the wasted potential that some had, or the innocent bystanders (and I've had that in my family). I guess I'm a little old school on personal responsibility for your actions.

also - sorry for yet another off-topic post.

I got ya, and i respect your point. Its just that everything u described in the first post was all my bad habits. I just live my life like if tommorow doesn't come for me, then if I can still say "darn its been a good run!!!" then i'm happy!

haha it turns "dam n" to darn.

streetKJ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:05 pm

moose wrote:

gone_jeepin wrote:

moose wrote:

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Albert wrote:

My Brother was killed in a vehicle with my cousin driving in a stupid speed related accident that never should have happened - and I miss him every day.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear about that.

I believe this is the best reason NOT to speed.

People who risk their life by driving fast, lifting their jeep and turn too fast, going in rides with people who speed, motorcycle w/o a helmet, practice unsafe intercourse, stick anything but their elbows in their ear, pass without flashing and honking, jaywalk, litter, don't chew their food enough, smoke, drink, dui, or anything else I forgot, desirve what they get. I know it sounds mean, and I'm sorry if it hurts, but bad choices can hurt. It's natures way of saying "what the ^$% were you thinking?". I have made bad choices; I've paid the price; I've learned how to make better choices. Some choices I shouldn't have walked away from, but the fates are fickle and I'm still here.

However, I still think that all of these rightious "don't speed" posts are off topic and desirve their own thread.

No offence but your a little crazy!! You would have to be trapped in a bubble to not do some of that stuff. And i agree with you that people get what they deserve, but you also have to sympathize a little, cause i guarrantee you that your not thinking about dying when you do most of that stuff!!!!

Crazy? Maybe (and no offence taken). I made the list on purpose. Is the speeding wrong because I might kill myself or someone else? If you're only worried about the bystanders, then I'd remove the sticking things in your ear and the chewing. My point, by making the list this way, was to find out where the line is. Is it at 75mph? 85? 95? What about my second hand smoke? What about the litter that kills an a bunny? a snake? And, yes, ever since my first brush with death, I do think about it EVERY time I speed, drink, jaywalk, fornicate, etc. (ok, not a whole lot on that last one, but still...). I'm sure that a majority of those that buy the farm have had at least one brush with mortality (or logically knew the danger the MIGTH get them selves into - but it'll never happen to me...). Sympathize? Only for the wasted potential that some had, or the innocent bystanders (and I've had that in my family). I guess I'm a little old school on personal responsibility for your actions.

also - sorry for yet another off-topic post.

Theres a lot of people who live day by day and make the most of it.

It's probably better to be one of those people than live life constantly on the safe side and fearful if not cautious of everything else.

There might be one day where you're just driving your family to Disneyland in no rush at all, and you just happen to be the guy that some speeding car happens to hit. You could be crossing the street and some fool behind the wheel doesn't notice you.

I know this is a really bad example, but the only MAJOR crack/chip I've gotten in my windshield was when I WASN'T breaking the speed limit. I wasn't even tailgating the guy in front of me, and I even maintained the three-seconds behind rule. From out of nowhere, along comes this pebble and cracks my windshield. This would have never happened had I been doing my usual 80mph in the fast lane trying to avoid being stuck behind someone. Sure someone may die from my speeding, but it's probably just as likely that I'll end up being sandwiched between some cars in an accident if I wasn't driving in the fast lane.

If you have a good chance of being the victim of someone else's stupidity, you might as well be stupid too. (Like the US starting the "war on terrorism") (how do you go to war with a concept???:roll: )

gone_jeepin · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:12 pm

moose wrote:

Theres a lot of people who live day by day and make the most of it.

It's probably better to be one of those people than live life constantly on the safe side and fearful if not cautious of everything else.

There might be one day where you're just driving your family to Disneyland in no rush at all, and you just happen to be the guy that some speeding car happens to hit. You could be crossing the street and some fool behind the wheel doesn't notice you.

I know this is a really bad example, but the only MAJOR crack/chip I've gotten in my windshield was when I WASN'T breaking the speed limit. I wasn't even tailgating the guy in front of me, and I even maintained the three-seconds behind rule. From out of nowhere, along comes this pebble and cracks my windshield. This would have never happened had I been doing my usual 80mph in the fast lane trying to avoid being stuck behind someone. Sure someone may die from my speeding, but it's probably just as likely that I'll end up being sandwiched between some cars in an accident if I wasn't driving in the fast lane.

If you have a good chance of being the victim of someone else's stupidity, you might as well be stupid too. (Like the US starting the "war on terrorism") (how do you go to war with a concept???:roll: )

The war on terrorism is a-whole-nother post!! and lately i've been driving about 75, so not to bad even when the speed limit is 60. However i've been more stressed lately, mostly cause of school, and i've been smoking more, and drinking, and other stuff i don't really wanna get into. But all n all i feel like these are some of the best days of my life so far.

moose · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:36 pm

ok, story #2 (#1 is in the off-topic area, where this will eventurally be moved :wink:

): So I had been living in DC for 4-5 years and was used to the bumper to bumper 80mph in my neon (can you say sudden death) when on a business trip to Cali I got the call to drive for the guy on travel with me and his friend. I was driving from SJC to downtown SF on the 101, soing 85+ and about 1 car length behind a pickup. This was normal for me and I was holding a conversation with my friend's friend, who was VERY nervious (only took the bus or something most days; didn't own a car; might have been a communist :wink:

) by my driving. About that time a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the pickup gets air and flys up and over us :shock:

, landing just aft of us and fore of the next car. At this point they guy is freaking; so I casually point out that if I wasn't tailgating this guy we would all have been decapitated. On all our other trips out there we never hooked up with him again :lol:

gone_jeepin · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:51 pm

This is def. goin to be moved, but who cares this post had been pretty dead after the first week anyway!!! But i had something similar happen to me, but instead of a piece of wood, it was a piece of this guy's car in front of me. Something broke off the bottom of his car, nailed the ground bounced over my car and the guy behind me hit it. I stopped to help the guy but it had ripped a huge gash in his oil pan and took a large chunk out of his tranny, nothin i can do about that!!!
The guy whose POS brought about all this drama just kept driving like nothing happened.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:25 am

From your stories, it sounds like you guys agree that tailgating is okay because you didn't suffer damage or death from incidents that happened in your lives while tailgating but sufferred or would've had or did have something happen because you weren't tailgating.

Correct me if I am wrong with this deduction from your posts.

gone_jeepin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:28 am

yea for those instances Tailgating was justified!!! :lol:

i also deduce that u dont agree?

moose · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:11 am

Tokyojoe wrote:

From your stories, it sounds like you guys agree that tailgating is okay because you didn't suffer damage or death from incidents that happened in your lives while tailgating but sufferred or would've had or did have something happen because you weren't tailgating.

Correct me if I am wrong with this deduction from your posts.

I invite you to commute the I-95 some morning and not drive like that. Some will cut in and you'll find yourself tailgating anywho. Do that for 4 years (heck 4 months) and it is natural. If I remember correctly, Denver is a mellow place to drive. OK, I see I wont be behind you in Moab

Now, for your question.... No, but if we all drove 65, gave 8-10 car lengths in between, and no one cut us off, each of our stories would have ended with "... and I stopped before I hit the object." However, that type of situation only happens in Walgrens (sp?) commercials, and apparently in Denver.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:37 am

Never said I disagreed. I tailgate but only in certain situations. Not just for the heck of it. When you get a slow driver in the fast lane and they aren't passing anyone (Colorado law says you have to move over to the right lane if you are not in the process of passing someone, on the interstate). Traffic jams where it is stop and go. There are those idiots that "slam" on their brakes. That is a stupid idea because that can cause a serious accident. Who caused it? The law will probably blame you but the idiot driving slow in the passing lane truly caused it. Tapping the brakes, okay. Slamming on the brakes, not okay.

You will find that you will cause problems if you tailgate in Moab. You have to keep a distance so people can back up and redo a new line for obstacles. Vehicles also have a habit of rolling backwards even with automatics. There are times when we have to let a specific vehicle pass the group and being too tight causes problems.

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:39 am

WHooo HOOOO!!!! Did somebody say MOAB!!?!??!

MOAB! MOAB! MOAB!

moose · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:52 am

Tokyojoe wrote:

You will find that you will cause problems if you tailgate in Moab. You have to keep a distance so people can back up and redo a new line for obstacles. Vehicles also have a habit of rolling backwards even with automatics. There are times when we have to let a specific vehicle pass the group and being too tight causes problems.

Just kidding. I like to have and give LOTS of room on the trail.

streetKJ · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:11 pm

We're not saying tailgating is okay. We're saying that if you have as much chance of getting into an accident from being safe, you might as well do something inherently dangerous like tailgate. And people don't tailgate for the heck of it, ever. People tailgate because they need to be somewhere soon, and the moron in front of them refuses to acknowledge their rush by either moving out of the lane or speeding up.

http://driverightpassleft.com/

...so yeah, 115mph in the KJ

Woo-hoo!!!!

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