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hey whats a good locker to put in the rear endof the liberty
i was looking at an arb or an ox anybody have a suggestion.
drew

thx i meant to put looking for and not at lol so what was the total price installed i was looking round 1500 for it and the compressor.
drew

would fourwheelparts be a good place to go to ive never had to have a shop install it my buddy always did that kind of stuff for me but hes deployed to iraq also and wont be home on leave when i get home on leave in a few weeks
drew

The best locker is a tru-trac, you can still drive it on the street. Also there's no airlines to rip off, If you have to have a full locker and want a selectable, I would get an electric locker, you don't have to mess with a compresor or airlines. Then again, it's hard to beat a good old detroit locker if you can live with it's street manors.

Powertrax Lock-Right Lockers-----they wrthy what bout the no slip traction system they offer?

Even the no slip version doesn't like to power in and out of turns and hit a slick spot in the road, the rearend tries to walk around on you. It is no stronger than your stock rear where as the tru-trac will strengthen a stock rear diff. I had a powewr trax in my ranger for a week, didn't like it's habits, sold it to a buddy, bought a tru-trac and never looked back. It's as good as the power trax off/road, nicer to me on the road and is a stronger unit, it was worth the extra money. I found out, you get what you pay for. Don't get me wrong, the power trax is a great off/road locker and if I was off/road 80% of the time, I would of kept it, or like my buddy who bought mine, just took the time to get use to it. I'm just much happier with the tru-trac and it's durability and strength. I also here great things about the aussie lunch box locker, it's only 230.00 bucks, but has limited applications at this time. A guy we wheel with has an aussie in his CJ, seems to be quieter on the street than the power trax when I rode with him. Who knows, maybe I didn't give my power trax enough tome to break in, maybe it would have gotten better. Anyway, I love my TT and will have one in my KJ before long.

wendell wrote:

Wendell,
I'm not trying to start a debate but, you're trying to compare apples and oranges here. The True trac is a great LIMITED SLIP DEVICE, (I have one in the front) however, the Power Trax No-Slip is a FULL LOCKING DEVICE designed for off-road applications, and has different driving characteristics common to a full locker that takes a little time to get used to. For off-road, the Power Trax No-Slip is superior in traction over the True Trac for the fact, it is a full locking device.

Author:	bearmedic [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:04 am ]
Post subject:	locker
hey whats a good locker to put in the rear endof the liberty i was looking at an arb or an ox anybody have a suggestion. drew

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:08 am ]
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bearmedic wrote: hey whats a good locker to put in the rear endof the liberty i was looking at an arb or an ox anybody have a suggestion. drew The ARB is the best(I have one and love it),OX doesn't offer a locker for the 8.25 rear end.

Author:	bearmedic [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:16 am ]
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thx i meant to put looking for and not at lol so what was the total price installed i was looking round 1500 for it and the compressor. drew

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:21 am ]
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bearmedic wrote: thx i meant to put looking for and not at lol so what was the total price installed i was looking round 1500 for it and the compressor. drew The locker itself is about $800(depending on where you get it),get the mini compressor($150) and and master install kit($100).Then add labor of $350+(depending on shop doing it) you can be under $1500,installing a ARB is more pricy cause you have to drill and tap the diff for the airline.

Author:	bearmedic [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:29 am ]
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would fourwheelparts be a good place to go to ive never had to have a shop install it my buddy always did that kind of stuff for me but hes deployed to iraq also and wont be home on leave when i get home on leave in a few weeks drew

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Author:	bugnout [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:37 am ]
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The best prices I've found on ARB's is at http://www.c-comp.com I'm not in anyway associated with them, and haven't bought from them yet. They are in the vendors forum in the for sale section.

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:00 pm ]
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bearmedic wrote: would fourwheelparts be a good place to go to ive never had to have a shop install it my buddy always did that kind of stuff for me but hes deployed to iraq also and wont be home on leave when i get home on leave in a few weeks drew I got my stuff there,most are really good places.

Author:	bearmedic [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:34 pm ]
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heyheres a question how will the factory electronic strability control and traction control be affected by putting in the locker and what issues could arise ?

Author:	wendell [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:09 pm ]
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The best locker is a tru-trac, you can still drive it on the street. Also there's no airlines to rip off, If you have to have a full locker and want a selectable, I would get an electric locker, you don't have to mess with a compresor or airlines. Then again, it's hard to beat a good old detroit locker if you can live with it's street manors.

Author:	Tokyojoe [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:18 pm ]
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wendell wrote: The best locker is a tru-trac, you can still drive it on the street. Also there's no airlines to rip off, If you have to have a full locker and want a selectable, I would get an electric locker, you don't have to mess with a compresor or airlines. Then again, it's hard to beat a good old detroit locker if you can live with it's street manors. So the Ected is being made for the 8.25 now?

Author:	wendell [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:35 pm ]
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That I don't know, but there are a few electric lockers, eaton makes one, as does auburn, who makes the one in the rubicon?

Author:	wendell [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:16 pm ]
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I think with the limitations of the kj as far as lift kits, tire size and IFS, your better off with a tru-trac front and rear, just the rear for most of us, but the more agressive wheelers may need a front one. A TT sendS power to the wheel with the most traction, but it still sends power to both wheels, just more to the traction wheel. It's something like a 30/70 or 60/40 split. I have run the TT in my 4x4 ranger for a couple of years now and have found it to be an awesome unit. It's strong and very durable and kicks in if a tire even thinks about slipping. It will throw some awesome rooster tails in the mud. Even in the rocks or climbing over logs, with slight brake presure it will keep both wheels engaged like a locker. It's great on the street, will allow you to power in and out of corners without alot of tire churp or making a bunch of racket. As far as lsd go, it's superior as it has no clutches to wear out and it doesn't require a modifire. It's like having the best of both worlds, it acts like a lsd on the street, but performs like a locker off/road. Of course if you spent 80% of your time boulder bashing you may opt for a detroit full locker, that slight brake presure would be hard on your brakes if you were doing it consantly. You only need a little brake if you have a wheel lifted in the air, slight brake presure will cause both wheels to pull togather like a locker. "Yes", I'm a Tru-Trac salesman, "JUST KIDDING', I just love my TT.

Author:	bearmedic [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:27 am ]
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Powertrax Lock-Right Lockers-----they wrthy what bout the no slip traction system they offer?

Author:	KJ04 [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:57 am ]
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bearmedic wrote: Powertrax Lock-Right Lockers-----they wrthy what bout the no slip traction system they offer? The Power Trax No-Slip is the street friendly version and the better of the two. I've had the No-Slip in for almost 3 yrs. now with no plroblems. It's also very easy to install, no extras to buy or special tools needed.

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Author:	wendell [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:26 am ]
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Even the no slip version doesn't like to power in and out of turns and hit a slick spot in the road, the rearend tries to walk around on you. It is no stronger than your stock rear where as the tru-trac will strengthen a stock rear diff. I had a powewr trax in my ranger for a week, didn't like it's habits, sold it to a buddy, bought a tru-trac and never looked back. It's as good as the power trax off/road, nicer to me on the road and is a stronger unit, it was worth the extra money. I found out, you get what you pay for. Don't get me wrong, the power trax is a great off/road locker and if I was off/road 80% of the time, I would of kept it, or like my buddy who bought mine, just took the time to get use to it. I'm just much happier with the tru-trac and it's durability and strength. I also here great things about the aussie lunch box locker, it's only 230.00 bucks, but has limited applications at this time. A guy we wheel with has an aussie in his CJ, seems to be quieter on the street than the power trax when I rode with him. Who knows, maybe I didn't give my power trax enough tome to break in, maybe it would have gotten better. Anyway, I love my TT and will have one in my KJ before long.

Author:	KJ04 [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:12 am ]
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wendell wrote: Even the no slip version doesn't like to power in and out of turns and hit a slick spot in the road, the rearend tries to walk around on you. It is no stronger than your stock rear where as the tru-trac will strengthen a stock rear diff. I had a powewr trax in my ranger for a week, didn't like it's habits, sold it to a buddy, bought a tru-trac and never looked back. It's as good as the power trax off/road, nicer to me on the road and is a stronger unit, it was worth the extra money. I found out, you get what you pay for. Don't get me wrong, the power trax is a great off/road locker and if I was off/road 80% of the time, I would of kept it, or like my buddy who bought mine, just took the time to get use to it. I'm just much happier with the tru-trac and it's durability and strength. I also here great things about the aussie lunch box locker, it's only 230.00 bucks, but has limited applications at this time. A guy we wheel with has an aussie in his CJ, seems to be quieter on the street than the power trax when I rode with him. Who knows, maybe I didn't give my power trax enough tome to break in, maybe it would have gotten better. Anyway, I love my TT and will have one in my KJ before long. Wendell, I'm not trying to start a debate but, you're trying to compare apples and oranges here. The True trac is a great LIMITED SLIP DEVICE, (I have one in the front) however, the Power Trax No-Slip is a FULL LOCKING DEVICE designed for off-road applications, and has different driving characteristics common to a full locker that takes a little time to get used to. For off-road, the Power Trax No-Slip is superior in traction over the True Trac for the fact, it is a full locking device.

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:52 am ]
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KJ04 wrote: wendell wrote: Even the no slip version doesn't like to power in and out of turns and hit a slick spot in the road, the rearend tries to walk around on you. It is no stronger than your stock rear where as the tru-trac will strengthen a stock rear diff. I had a powewr trax in my ranger for a week, didn't like it's habits, sold it to a buddy, bought a tru-trac and never looked back. It's as good as the power trax off/road, nicer to me on the road and is a stronger unit, it was worth the extra money. I found out, you get what you pay for. Don't get me wrong, the power trax is a great off/road locker and if I was off/road 80% of the time, I would of kept it, or like my buddy who bought mine, just took the time to get use to it. I'm just much happier with the tru-trac and it's durability and strength. I also here great things about the aussie lunch box locker, it's only 230.00 bucks, but has limited applications at this time. A guy we wheel with has an aussie in his CJ, seems to be quieter on the street than the power trax when I rode with him. Who knows, maybe I didn't give my power trax enough tome to break in, maybe it would have gotten better. Anyway, I love my TT and will have one in my KJ before long. Wendell, I'm not trying to start a debate but, you're trying to compare apples and oranges here. The True trac is a great LIMITED SLIP DEVICE, (I have one in the front) however, the Power Trax No-Slip is a FULL LOCKING DEVICE designed for off-road applications, and has different driving characteristics common to a full locker that takes a little time to get used to. For off-road, the Power Trax No-Slip is superior in traction over the True Trac for the fact, it is a full locking device. That may be true but the no-slip is by far weaker then the TT or the ARB locker.Lunch box lockers add zero strength to the diff but add abunch of extra stress to the stock carrier which is weak anyway.Just be done with it and add a locker/LSD that replaces the whole carrier(like the TT or ARB) and have a stronger set-up.

Author:	wendell [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:13 pm ]
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Well, my point is that I haven't found myself in a situation where my tru-trac couldn't get me out of and it's still better on the road, also my point is that a TT can be fooled into operating like a full locker with slight brake pressure if you get a tire lifted. I'm just stating my opinion as I have had both, the TT is all around superior to the power trax on and off the road. It's superior off road only for the fact it's stronger, not because it has better traction. Obvously, a full locker will out perform a lsd off road, What I'm saying as you can get the tru-trac to perform all most as good off road, great street manors and a stronger unit. With the power trax you don't need any brake pressure or other tricks to get a 50/50 split. But for having the convience of it's on road manors, I can live with the tricks. Actually, as long as all the wheels are planted, there is no real noticable difference. Now for rock climbing and other extreme wheeling, the power trax would be the better choice for some. If I wanted or needed a full locker, I would go with a detroit locker, might as well get the added strength if I had to live with the bad habits of a locker. I'm not crazy, I realize a full locker is off/road king in any form. I also believe the TT and torson are the best lsd's on the market because they are gear driven and just slighty shy of a locker. I think for most people, the TT would suit thier needs better all the way around who has thier KJ has a daily driver and thier off/road toy. Sure if your hardcore and an exteme wheeler, nothing is better than a full locker in whatever form you buy it. I don't want to mislead anyone, a TT is not a full locker, but it's close enough for all of it's other benifits. For some, it just wouldn't fill the bill for what they need. As I checked prices, the TT is much more than the PT, so I give the nod to the TT. Now the aussie locker at 230 bucks would deserve a second look and would justify a few bad highway habits for the price. I concidered as aussie, but they only have it for the 31 spline 8.8 ford rear and mines 28. They e-mailed me and said they soon will have one for the 28 spline 8.8. When the time comes that I don't have to use my ranger for work and can devote it more to off/road activities. I will get a full locker, a detroit if I'm well off ("yeah right") or the aussie.

Author:	wendell [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:25 pm ]
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I made a mistake, I mean the tru-trac isn't much more than the power trax, they are both around 400.00$ depending on where you buy and for what application. I think it's a round 40 or 50 dollars difference in some of the places I was looking. Some rears are pretty strong from the factory like the ford 8.8, but like the D35 in alot of wranglers, they could use some help in the strength department. Our chyrsler units in the KJ seem to be pretty beefy. I don't have mush experience with it as most of my jeeps have had dana's, is it a decent rear diff?

Author:	KJ04 [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:00 pm ]
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I thought our 8.25's were wranked with the D-44's in strenght. Hey Wendell, when we get laid off this winter I'm going to come over on a cold, snowy, icy day and let you drive mine with the No-slip for the whole day or untill you get used to it. Ha,ha! Hopefully my daughter brings my 02 Ranger 4X4 back in one piece by then.