Weve only had one major recall, the lower balljoints.
I dont really care what ol Gary thinks about my Jeep anyway.
KBB says my 04 with 30k is worth 18k.
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| Author: | Cacher123 [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:11 pm ] |
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http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jeep-Liberty-2008/overview Most Recalled Cars of 2007 By GARY HOFFMAN, AOL AUTOS Most Recalled Cars of 2007 Vehicle 1. Volkswagen New Beetle 2. Toyota Tundra & Sequoia 3. Jeep Liberty 4. Nissan Altima 5. Hyundai Tucson 6. Jeep Wrangler & Dodge Nitro 7. Suzuki Forenza & Reno 8. Volkswagen Passat & Passat Wagon 9. Lexus ES 350 10. Chrysler Sebring* *Includes other Models It's been the kind of year when the total number of recalls almost seemed to match auto industry production figures. In August, Ford Motor Co. announced it was recalling 3.6 million vehicles, mostly trucks from the 1990s, to fix a speed control deactivation switch. Last spring, Volkswagen started recalling more than 1,000,000 new Beetles from model years 2001 to 2007 to repair a brake light problem. Even Toyota recalled 533,124 units of its 2004-2007 Sequoia and its 2004-2006 Tundra, citing problems with the lower ball joint on the vehicles' front suspension. In recent years, hardly an automaker has missed out on the recall frenzy. "Now almost any time you pick up a newspaper, there is a recall," said Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at J.D. Power & Associates in Troy, Mich. Even a base price of $168,000 is no insurance against them. Earlier this year, Ferrari recalled 216 of its 2005 and 2006 F430 coupe and spider models after problems cropped up in a clutch pump. NHTSA says the problem "could result in a reduction in a driver's ability to shift gears while driving" and "result in a crash." So why are there so many recalls if vehicle quality generally rises every year? In part, it's because automakers are using more shared platforms and parts, increasing the chance that a single flawed component could fail on a number of models, experts say. But recalls are also a sign that automakers are going the extra mile to fix problems and keep consumers informed, Libby said. There is an entire universe of potential culprits. Incorrect signals from a sensor could cause an engine to shut down in traffic. Electrical short-circuits could cause anti-lock brake modules to smoke and burn. An integrated circuit in a dashboard could overheat and set instruments on fire. Something as trivial as a plastic tag could chafe against a fuel line, and, in turn, create a fuel leak and fire. This was the scenario that led VW to start recalling nearly 58,900 2006 Jettas in August. This year, DaimlerChrysler has recalled 270,857 Town and Country and Dodge Caravan minivans from the 2005 model year after it was shown that water saturated with road salt could disable some air bag sensors. Recalls still can be a black eye for a particular make or model. They can confirm owners' suspicions that they bought a "lemon," and it's no secret that some product liability attorneys consider recalls to be ammunition in lawsuits. "This stuff gets amplified a great deal because there are certain lawyers waiting to use this information, and they are out there actively looking for new business on a class action basis," VW spokesman Keith Price said. Some recalls involve seemingly intractable problems that probably keep automotive engineers up at night. In March, Ford recalled 109,664 Crown Victoria Police Interceptors from the 2003, 2004 and 2005 model years after wheels on a tiny percentage of vehicles developed cracks in their welds. Ford was grappling with similar problems on the same scale as early as 2002. Those cracks "can ultimately result in rapid air loss from the tire and could affect vehicle control, increasing the risk of a crash," NHTSA said. The agency received about 20 complaints about wheels between 2003 and 2005. But an earlier recall on the wheel weld failures took place in 2003, apparently without solving the whole problem. Some of the trouble even involved replacement wheels that Ford offered to help fix the situation. In one incident, the wheels on a Pennsylvania State Police car "failed during a high speed pursuit, resulting in the loss of control," NHTSA files indicate. The police officer suffered minor injuries. In a 2003 case, a Colorado police officer complained to NHTSA that a wheel rim on his Crown Victoria split while traveling just 10 miles per hour. Those troubles came at an inopportune time: For several years, Ford had been trying to fend off charges from police departments that the design of the Crown Victoria and its gas tank added to the risk of a fire during rear-end collisions. In one recall campaign, Ford provided shield kits to police departments to protect the tank. And no one in the industry has forgotten the most serious product liability problem of the last decade: the tire tread problems that Firestone and Ford wrestled with in 1999 and 2000. A flawed tire, the Firestone Wilderness AT, led to "approximately 50 injuries and 25 reported fatalities," according to NHTSA. It was mostly used on the Ford Explorer. In 2001, NHTSA ruled the Wilderness AT had a safety defect, and Firestone recalled all the tires of that type produced at its Decatur, Ill., plant. Chastened by that experience, the industry may now be leaning toward more, not fewer, recalls. Libby said auto companies are getting out ahead of the vehicle problems. They are more likely to initiate the campaigns themselves instead of waiting for NHTSA to require them, he said. In many of the recent recalls, "there haven't been accidents, injuries, anything at all," Libby said. "When it comes to recalls, no manufacturer wants to take any risks," said Price. Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis describes his company's huge August recall as one example of a voluntary approach. "It was not a new recall," he said. "Earlier recalls occurred because we were working with NHTSA and they were investigating some under-the-hood fires. But the most recent recall was not in that category. NHTSA did not have a safety concern." "But we did not want our customers to worry about the safety of their vehicles just because there were some similar parts involved." Automakers hope consumers will give them the benefit of the doubt. Some experts believe they already do. In any case, Libby says a single recall isn't likely to do much damage to a brand or model. "About 10 or 15 years ago, vehicle recalls tended to have a greater effect than they do now, because there were fewer of them," Libby said. The damage can become greater, though, if a series of problems emerges and the bad publicity starts to snowball. "If there is nothing at all on a model, and then there is a recall, then I don't think there is an effect," he said. "But if there is a stream of negative events, then you get a cumulative effect. The recall will play into that stream." http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jeep-Liberty-2008/overview |
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| Author: | Sir Sam [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:32 pm ] |
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look at that, VW was number one, that doesnt surprise me. |
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| Author: | hyedipin [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:41 pm ] |
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How about Least Recalled vehicles? Also, why does it say # User Rating: 1 STAR out of 5 STARS (13 reviews) but I don't see any reviews when I click on Reviews section? |
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| Author: | Gringo Loco [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:55 pm ] |
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Funny, we have a liberty and an altima, and I had a new beetle before the KJ. |
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| Author: | k99jk99j [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:19 pm ] |
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i wasn't aware of any recalls for the 07 liberty? and the only thing i am aware of for the wrangler was a reflash of the computer! |
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| Author: | bbo [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:31 pm ] |
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if there is a recall for 5 out of 200,000 vehicles missing airbag stickers .. it counts as one recall if there is a recall for 200,000 out of 200,000 cars with faulty airbags that blow at random .. thats one recall easy way to skew numbers if you really want to. you really have to look at the % and the severity of the recall. that said .. the control arm recall for ours I thought was serious. |
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| Author: | sleeve84028 [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:59 pm ] |
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sorry guys... Those lists are so funny. Sure there's been problems with the wheels falling off, but at least we didn't have problems with the blinkers or something important like the paint. |
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| Author: | RQuarte [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:47 pm ] |
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According to KBB my 04 with 20k on it is only worth 11,500, are they kidding me? |
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| Author: | Video Guy [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:02 pm ] |
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RQuarte wrote: According to KBB my 04 with 20k on it is only worth 11,500, are they kidding me?
Sounds about right. These things just don't command high dollars. They are a dime a dozen. |
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| Author: | sleeve84028 [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:09 pm ] |
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Happens to popular domestic vehicles that get huge rebates attached to them.... |
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| Author: | k99jk99j [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:13 pm ] |
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sleeve84028 wrote: Sure there's been problems with the wheels falling off, but at least we didn't have problems with the blinkers or something important like the paint.
i don't understand? the balljoint problem was fixed way before the 07-08 model year? aren't we only talking about 07? |
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| Author: | k99jk99j [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:14 pm ] |
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bbo wrote: if there is a recall for 5 out of 200,000 vehicles missing airbag stickers .. it counts as one recall yeah but i am not aware of any recalls. ball joints were fixed in the 06 model year! mike
if there is a recall for 200,000 out of 200,000 cars with faulty airbags that blow at random .. thats one recall easy way to skew numbers if you really want to. you really have to look at the % and the severity of the recall. that said .. the control arm recall for ours I thought was serious. |
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| Author: | Jeepjeepster [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:40 pm ] |
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Weve only had one major recall, the lower balljoints. I dont really care what ol Gary thinks about my Jeep anyway. KBB says my 04 with 30k is worth 18k.
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| Author: | KJ4ME [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:38 pm ] |
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low resale can also happen when companies use them for fleet vehicles, like police departments, car rental agencies, mall security, and the like |
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| Author: | k99jk99j [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:17 pm ] |
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Jeepjeepster wrote: Weve only had one major recall, the lower balljoints. yeah i know about that one. but the list was based on the 07 model. and the 07 was Not recalled for ball joints! i am not aware of any recall on the 07? therefore i don't see any basis for the bad press! mike
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| Author: | unixxx [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:24 pm ] |
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In my mind, these problems are minor compared to the damage I do to my Libby while off-road. The only recall relevant to my KJ has been the ball joint recall. The only warranty work done to it has been replacement of the warped rear rotors and fried TPMS module, barely repairs I'd consider critical. Granted, my Jeep doesn't have too many miles on it. Other than resale value, ratings by people who only use their Libby as a daily driver don't bother me as an off-roader and modder. |
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| Author: | Guest [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:40 pm ] |
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Just for the record, number 2 (the Sequoia/Tundra) is for the entire model run, not just 04-07. My mom has an '02, and it was recalled, too. To rub it in, I'll now call her and say "HAW HAW, you had more recalls than me" |
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| Author: | CD [ Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:05 am ] |
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Cool, at least we beat the Wrangler 
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| Author: | RQuarte [ Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:42 am ] |
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Jeepjeepster wrote: Weve only had one major recall, the lower balljoints.
I dont really care what ol Gary thinks about my Jeep anyway. KBB says my 04 with 30k is worth 18k. Because its a limited? |
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