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Author:  SoDakJeep [ Sun May 25, 2008 9:48 pm ]
Post subject:  E85 anyone run this yet?
http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Page? ... stimonials

I see that one that page Jim from breckenridge co has a 2004 libby and says it works good. Has anyone else tried this?

this is the kit I am looking at

http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Detail?no=119
Author:  InCommando [ Sun May 25, 2008 10:14 pm ]
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I don't know of anyone who has retrofitted any car for E85.

The benefits of this product are still pretty much in debate. I know you get less power with it. With its limited availability around me, unkown impact on human and animal feed prices, and reportedly increased maintenence costs/ longevity issues, I am not sold on paying money to retrofit a vehicle for it.

If you do it, please keep us posted.
Author:  KJ4ME [ Mon May 26, 2008 3:00 am ]
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i know that E85 is very corrosive, so there are some components that you need that im not sure are provided in this kit, like stainless steel fuel rails, different fuel lines and the like. it probably affects your powertrain warranty in a negative way and if this kit only costs 370-430 bucks, wouldnt more car manufactures offer a E85 version of their engines? im not saying it wont work but in the long run... how will this affect reliability?
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon May 26, 2008 3:33 am ]
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E85 is a fallacy and I will not support it in any shape or form on the principle of it.
Author:  SavageUrge [ Mon May 26, 2008 10:50 am ]
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I agree with you Sir Sam. Not to mention, I've read somewhere that it is worse for the environment in the long run, AND because the goernment is now subsidizing corn growing, that is the reason our wheat prices are skyrocketing. The farmers are switching from wheat to corn to "fuel" this fallacy! Global warming is a myth people. The Earth has life cycles just as humans do. In the 70's the big issue was Global COOLING! If you don't believe me, look it up. There is no better friend to Capitalism than an educated consumer. Please do your part!
Author:  SavageUrge [ Mon May 26, 2008 10:50 am ]
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I agree with you Sir Sam. Not to mention, I've read somewhere that it is worse for the environment in the long run, AND because the government is now subsidizing corn growing, that is the reason our wheat prices are skyrocketing. The farmers are switching from wheat to corn to "fuel" this fallacy! Global warming is a myth people. The Earth has life cycles just as humans do. In the 70's the big issue was Global COOLING! If you don't believe me, look it up. There is no better friend to Capitalism than an educated consumer. Please do your part!
Author:  chefdab [ Mon May 26, 2008 12:08 pm ]
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Most car companies do offer flex-fuel versions of their vehicles now. But why do you want to spend money to convert to a fuel that will get you less horsepower and torque. And worst of all, you think the Liberty gets bad mileage now, wait till you switch to E-85. You'll be puling in to every fuel stop that sells it because your mileage will go down the crapper.
Author:  Inc [ Mon May 26, 2008 12:35 pm ]
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Sir Sam wrote:
E85 is a fallacy and I will not support it in any shape or form on the principle of it.

X2!
That stuff does more harm to the economy and environment than people know.

SavageUrge hit it squarely on the head!
Author:  SoDakJeep [ Mon May 26, 2008 5:36 pm ]
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well the video is from the tech school in watertown SD and E85 costs 2.37 and 3.87 for reg E10 4.19 for premium its so much cheaper and you can still run on reg fuel.
Author:  C co Crusader 2/127 [ Mon May 26, 2008 5:51 pm ]
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Well i installed the kit about 3 weeks ago. I got it from the same site that your looking at getting it from. It took me about 15 min to install; of which 5 was actual install; the rest was just anchoring everything down. I do agree with the majority of the comments that e85 is debatable if its worth it. An its different for every state but here in wisconsin the grain used for it is field corn. So the only things that are loosing out are a bunch of dairy cows. This fuel may be long lived or a great replacment for straight gasoline but I'm at least making a physical attempt to move away from traditional fuels. Anyway down to the facts of if its worth it now. Before the install i went through the major components that could be harmed by the acidic nature of the e-85. The first thing i did before even buying the kit was switch to e-20 for about a month. I checked parts over after running it for the month and found that the plastics were in the same condition that they were in before. I did change my oil about 1800 miles premature of my normal 4500 miles because it was so dirty due to the new fuel disolving pre existing deposits. I still have about another wee to go before i pull off the stuff again and see if there is any damage from the e-85. So far so good; the engine runs smoother and sounds better. I have the same throttle response i had before and i get about 2mpg better than before; I attribute that to the summer mixture not the e-85. So all in all im satisfied with the system. So in about a week or 2 look in the e85 section and see the updates to the complete numbers.
Author:  SoDakJeep [ Mon May 26, 2008 6:10 pm ]
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sweet i was hoping you could chime in. I think I will get this as it just makes sense. its way cheaper and helps our local economy i have 3 ethonal plants within 20 miles.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon May 26, 2008 7:13 pm ]
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*grumbles and shakes head in frustration and futility*
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Mon May 26, 2008 7:20 pm ]
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Sir Sam wrote:
*grumbles and shakes head in frustration and futility*
Now come on,E-85 woeks and if the vehicle is outfitted properly there is no harm.Your CRD polutes more then a vehicle running E-85.I make money off of E-85,many do,I don't use it but it is very popular in my home town area since they recieve tax breaks for it.Get over it,it's just like your biodesiel,just a short term fix that hurts some and profits some.
Author:  SoDakJeep [ Mon May 26, 2008 10:10 pm ]
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I'm from SoDak as well and know all about the e85 its everywhere around here I was just wondering if it would be alright to do?
Author:  blake1827 [ Tue May 27, 2008 1:20 am ]
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KJ4ME wrote:
i know that E85 is very corrosive, so there are some components that you need that im not sure are provided in this kit, like stainless steel fuel rails, different fuel lines and the like. it probably affects your powertrain warranty in a negative way and if this kit only costs 370-430 bucks, wouldnt more car manufactures offer a E85 version of their engines? im not saying it wont work but in the long run... how will this affect reliability?


KJ4ME is right I wrote a research paper @ Metro E85 vs. Biodiesel (neither is a good long term solution). E85 is VERY Corrosive, ALL Flex Fuel vehicles had stainless steel tanks, fuel lines etc. for this reason. The EPA doesn't approve ANY E85 conversions, and you're fooling yourself if you think cheaper gas with poorer fuel mileage is your answer... :roll:
Author:  Inc [ Tue May 27, 2008 1:30 am ]
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blake1827 wrote:
KJ4ME wrote:
i know that E85 is very corrosive, so there are some components that you need that im not sure are provided in this kit, like stainless steel fuel rails, different fuel lines and the like. it probably affects your powertrain warranty in a negative way and if this kit only costs 370-430 bucks, wouldnt more car manufactures offer a E85 version of their engines? im not saying it wont work but in the long run... how will this affect reliability?


KJ4ME is right I wrote a research paper @ Metro E85 vs. Biodiesel (neither is a good long term solution). E85 is VERY Corrosive, ALL Flex Fuel vehicles had stainless steel tanks, fuel lines etc. for this reason. The EPA doesn't approve ANY E85 conversions, and you're fooling yourself if you think cheaper gas with poorer fuel mileage is your answer... :roll:

So, biodiesel is bad in the long run. Just curious.
Author:  SoDakJeep [ Tue May 27, 2008 2:42 am ]
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e85 is only a 100 extra iirc for a flexfuel
Author:  blake1827 [ Tue May 27, 2008 9:44 pm ]
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Neither is a viable long term solution, we can't grow enough crops to run everything on biodiesel & ethanol. The stat that I found with stood out the most was that it was take the acreage of 97% of US land mass to GROW enough corn for everyone's (gassers) to have enough fuel every year.

Ethanol is subsidized by the gov keeping it cheap & driving up prices. Most Biodiesel produced in the US gets exported.
Author:  SoDakJeep [ Tue May 27, 2008 9:56 pm ]
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KEY WORD CHEAP IT WOULD COST ME ABOUT 45 BUCKS TO FILL MY TANK COMPARED TO THE 72 I FILL WITH REG. LIKE I SAID ITS $2.59 FOR E85 AND $4.19 FOR PREMIUM. E85 HASN'T ROSE IN PRICE WHERE GAS IN GENERAL KEEPS GOING UP. I KNOW ITS NOT A LONG TERM FIX FOR EVERYONE BUT FOR ME IT JUST SEEMS SO ECONOMICAL. LIKE I SAID I WILL WAIT AND SEE HOW IT DOES IN C co Crusader 2/127 TRUCK. I HAVE ALWAYS RAN E10 WITH NO ILL EFFECTS AND IF YOU GO TO THAT LINK IT SHOWS A 2001 TAHOE AT THE TECH SHOOL I WAS LOOKING AT GOING TO. THEY STATE IT HASNT DONE ANY HARM AND NOTHING HAS RUSTED OUT FROM E85 SO FAR.
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Tue May 27, 2008 9:58 pm ]
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blake1827 wrote:
KJ4ME wrote:
i know that E85 is very corrosive, so there are some components that you need that im not sure are provided in this kit, like stainless steel fuel rails, different fuel lines and the like. it probably affects your powertrain warranty in a negative way and if this kit only costs 370-430 bucks, wouldnt more car manufactures offer a E85 version of their engines? im not saying it wont work but in the long run... how will this affect reliability?


KJ4ME is right I wrote a research paper @ Metro E85 vs. Biodiesel (neither is a good long term solution). E85 is VERY Corrosive, ALL Flex Fuel vehicles had stainless steel tanks, fuel lines etc. for this reason. The EPA doesn't approve ANY E85 conversions, and you're fooling yourself if you think cheaper gas with poorer fuel mileage is your answer... :roll:
Your both not right,flex-fuel vehicles do not have stainless steel tanks since any metal tanks is agaist FEDERAL law.My sister's '99 Dodge Caravan is a flex-fuel vehicle and has a plastic tank,I know since I replaced the fuel pump a few years ago(she alway's runs it out of gas which fried the pump),she has only started using E85 in the last year since she gets a big tax break for it.
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