hey budke if your not sure what you want, think about the army its not a bad gig, i went through basic, airborne and RIP and i dont regret it one bit, just something to think about.....

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Been on top of that for a very long time now. I'll be much better off than a lot of the kids there. haha Feels funny saying that. Hey Budke. Did you think of the Seabees in the Navy? It's the construction oriented division.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

Yeah, thats one reason why I would join because I could join seabees. I can still get trained in underwater and topside welding there too.

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Congrats on getting in. It's getting tougher everyday. This week CNRC (Commander Navy Recruiting Command) closed all but 6 jobs, with a 6 month wait on top of it all. Glad you got in before the cut. And February in GL is bitter cold! Not as bad as December and January, but it's not pleasant.

Congrat's again Shipmate.

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Yeah I know I got lucky by getting in at a good time. That's what the NC1 at my recruiting office told me. I took my physical test today. Totally knocked it out of the park. The 18 year old standard was 50 situps- check, 45 pushups-check, 1.5 mile run was 12 min. 30 seconds- double check. I finished my 1.5 mile run in 11 minutes flat and it wasn't even a struggle. I'll just maintain my current level of fitness and concentrate on rank, general orders and a few other tidbits. GO NAVY!

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

Thats the physical test?? Thats like a cake walk. I do 50 situps and 50 pushups before I go to bed. And I can run 2 miles in less than 12.5min.

Man, if I join the navy I got that part easy!!
lol

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That's just the standard to pass. If you do more you'll score better overall in boot camp. Obviously you'll do more than that through out the whole time. I'm already thinking of the days when my muscles are aching so bad b/c of the drill sergeants PT'ing us to death.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

Oh snap, I should score high then!

To get an idea of what it'd be like I'll just imagine football practice.
It'd probably be the same except without pads and a helmet. lol

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Drill Sgt's?

You better learn your ranks and terms. Company Commander or Petty Officer or Chief. You did not join the Army. Never say "Sir" to an enlisted either.

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Yes I know the correct term. I typed that title b/c that's what popped into my head at 2 a.m. If I had been in my right mind I would have used the correct Naval term. I already started the routine since I've been going to the recruiting office. I have to salute the flag at attention when I first walk in. Then I have to salute my superior and ask for persmission to come aboard. I have to do the reverse when leaving the office but asking for permission to leave. Felt cheesey at first but it's getting easier now.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

Although in this case, Tokyojoe is right and gave you good advice -Actually there are Drill Instructors who train Naval OCS cadets. They're called "Gunny". See photo below. My nephew's "Gunny" was a really good guy. After the OCS Family Dinner (the evening before graduation day) in the O-club at Pensacola, some of us hung out in the Aviation bar. It was there Gunny and I got to know each other while drinking beer and sharing stories from Kuwait. This Gunny is a USMC Scout-Sniper (MOS 8541). Oh and the English Bull Dog is a USMC E-5.



My nephew. Who finished top of his OCS Honor Class. Today he is Naval Aviation Instructor at NAS Fallon (Top Gun School).




That might work for USN & USAF - But if you were to enlist in either the USA or USMC, you'll want to imagine it being more like Hell.


Same goes in the Army.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

even boot in the Corps wasn't that bad, i wouldn't call it hell anyway, long as you're moderately in shape the rest's all mental - i think it's harder for some simply because of the environment change (uncertainty)

i don't really agree with some of the training tactics/procedures that some of the services use but hey, who am I, there's nothin shiny on my shoulders so I don't make those decisions

any branch is what you make of it, you'll enjoy yourself to the extent that you allow yourself to, stay away from the S-birds and the ones who are "so miserable" that they feel it necessary to try to make everyone else around them miserable by whining and complaining and telling you how crappy "insert their service branch or mos here" is.

I think most people can permanently benefit from even a 4 year enlistment, you'll learn a lot about yourself that you would probably never learn otherwise

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Shh... was trying to dissuade (budke or anyone else) not to join the Army or Corps. Today, I generally won't recommend either. I will recommend Navy or AF.
But seriously, in this day and age, I won't recommend to anyone (here or anywhere else), to join the USA or USMC. I don't want to live with regrets knowing they'll most likely end up in the Sandbox. Fwiw, I won't say why because it will come off as a political thing, and we can't do that here.


I'm thinking we're on different pages here? But I know for a fact the D.I's today treat the recruits far better than they did when I went to basic in the Army.



This is a excellent and truthful statement.

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Boot Camp is pretty lame these days, in all branches. The USMC, from the stories told to me from my uncles (1950's and 60's) three of them served in the Corps and from my dad and my experience in the Navy, him 1958 and me in 1984, then with recent talk of the way it is these days (I work on an AF base and with those in the Army, while I was in the Army Guard), all have gotten soft. Stupid rules for the DI's, TI's, CC's, etc...
The "timeout" thing! Say what!?????? No swearing or calling names. Say what??? I guess with all of the mamby pamby computer geeks going into the branches, you have to be softer.

I will recommend a certain branch depending on what the individual wants to get out of the military and with their future after the military, whether they get out after one hitch or stay for 20-30 yrs. Though I do lean towards the Air National Guard these days. AGR...the way to go.

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I think it's more like we're on the same page, some of the things I don't agree with have to do with them being too lax and overall the preparedness for breathing oxygen suffers

they are easier on recruits than when we went through I'm sure - for the Corps specifically they don't touch the recruits unless it's to remove the recruit from harms way or an "adjustment" - not to say "accidents" don't happen - they still curse plenty and despite what conflicting sources say there's no time out / stress card etc on the Depots


For the most part Marine DI's quit kickin recruits through that little space between the top and bottom bunk in the late 90's

they've made some adjustments there, partially because societys a bit soft and unequipped

but anyway, i understand people who don't want to deploy - there's always volunteering for the red cross and salv. army and what not

i pretty much spent 6 of my 8 years deployed, the rest were spent training and usually not in the CONUS but for the most part that was on my choice - that life isn't for everyone but it fits some much better others

Like has been said plenty of times, ya don't join the Corps to go to college - even as a reservist in a supply co. your chances of activation for at least 9 months in your first 4 or 5 years as a reservist are pretty good but it's a pretty good middle ground

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Yeah!!!! I just finished doing a PT at the recruiting office. Maxed the push-ups, did 45 sit-ups, and did the 1.5 mile in 10 minutes dead. The cold air burned a little but an overall good day! Time for something to eat.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

Congrats on raising your right hand, picked a good job too. Yeah this coming from another infantry (11C) guy who just got out. Stick it out (20 years) if you can. Don't know how old you are but your life is about to change, forever. Enjoy the ride and remember, there is just something funny about 60 plus people beating their faces (doing pushups) cuz some Beavis can't remember how to do something simple. Thanks for your service to come.

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I think the last day of boot camp will end up being one of my favorite memories in life.

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Originally Posted by m_volyrakis
"I recently removed my girlfriend.
Although this mode didn't affect my ground clearance, it drastically improved my off-road capabilities!"

They usually are

I think I accurately remember 10 or fewer days out of the 5 months (3 months training 2 months medical rehab)

in no particular order:

1. the first 3ish days plus the arrival at the actual training platoon - the first 5'ish days are TD negatives, the 120 what days don't start till the TD negatives are over (think the Corps is only ones that do this) i know atleast Maxwell starts at TD1 but thats USAF 'ossifer' stuff

4. the day we did rappelling - I came down on my SDI's toe and broke it

5. some field training day after the rifle range, we were at the old air field and it was in the middle of a tropical storm or something or other and a tornado came through within sight, a transport bus showed up to take us back to the barracks and it got stuck so we ended up having to pick it up and put it on solid ground and one of the rear diffs or the intermediate shaft between the diffs broke so we ended up humpin it back anyway which was fine since it helped wash off the mud

6. night fire exercises, we set the targets and burm on fire with tracers

7. gas chamber - i no longer had a cold when we got out, unfortunately the cold i had when i got in it was all over my boots

8. hittin the company xo in the face with the handguard that flew off my rifle during the last practice before final drill

9. somethin bad that happened with a DI that isn't going to be discussed here but it is somethin i remember

10. graduation - and the puking that followed after eating food that had seasoning

to have 3 months of memory be reorganized in your skull into 'strobe light' format makes you feel slightly cheated later, but then you think again and realize that you didn't wanna remember half of that trash anyway


oh and keep in mind atleast for the Corps, you can realistically say that the "boot" training is 120'ish + 27ish days since MCT comes a week or two after you graduate regardless of your MOS - so it's more like you get 160 days of boot with a 14 day vacation after the first 3 months

best way to look at it, "I'm gettin paid, and I don't even have the ability to spend it.. for another 129 days!" Wooo! I'm new boot rich!

I've had several friends that were naval AET's one ended up going into the electronic warfare systems, he got real smart with solaris which they apparently use, or used, on more than a few of the diagnostic systems for ews

i think you'll enjoy it, it's got good prospects, just invest in good knee pads (not a joke!) kneelin on wings and what not will jack your knee caps up really bad, really quick

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