I think this is a pretty accurate comparison between Jeep and Hummer vehicles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrW-jxsP-U

A properly trained operator with a totally stock H1 will and can out do a heavily modified TJ or JK or XJ.The key is a properly trained operator.Please don't compare idiot drivers or H2/H3's to a properly trained H1 operator or compare a properly trained operated H1 to any Jeep.There is no comparison,none,nill,zero,zilch.

Honestly my feeling about wheeling different vehicles is.......If you wheel it...and you wrench on it......... You're okay in my book.

Unless you drive a Hummer.

Dammit, stop it with the Hummer bashing. I am a fan of the H1, and a little towards the H3. Plus, wait till you all start seeing those H3's on the trail soon. (hopefully)

Anyways, the Hummers are pefectly capable, although not very high, they have the best drive system available.

I'll bet that few people outside of enthusiasts even think of the H1 when they think of Hummer. They sold very very few civilian versions and it has been out of production for a few years now. True, it is the only real Hummer and not a re-bodified version of a shared GM platform. It was designed under AMC via AMGeneral in the '70's.

To the vast majority of folks, the Hummer is just the H2, which is a gmt900 just like the Tahoe no matter what Hummerites say, and the H3, which is a gmt355, the same platform as the Canyon/Colorado. I don't hear anyone crowing about the off-road prowress of any of Hummer's stablemates, do you? Ton's of late model GMT900's (Tahoes/Yukons/'burbans/Avalanches/Escalades) and GMT355 (Canyons & Colorados) were sold, yet none of them are regulars on the trails, are they? Why would the H2 or H3 be any different?

I'd like some info as to what makes the "best drive system?" The rubicon, as one example, would probably have some issues with this statement. And the Dodge Power Wagon, as another. Or anything with a SFA instead of IFS. In the H3's case, consider the 4700# + curb weight & a tiny front IFS diff with big tires and half-shafts. That, my friend, is a recipe for disaster.

To lump the H1 in with those other two excercises in marketing is a crime, in my eyes.


EDIT: I have a question regarding locking differentials on the H2. I am not saying they did not have them, but I cannot find a factory front locking diff for the H2, only the rear. Can you point me towards info about the factory front locking diff on an H2 ( or H3, for that matter)? Thanks much.

So many sensitive Hummer lovers. Kind of surprised. To each his own.

Kind of surprises me that somebody with a Liberty would talk down about a Hummer

Honestly, those vids aren't that impressive to me, especially when I consider the cash outlay involved. I'm not sure about "stock," either. The car stunt H2 had stickers on the suspension & aftermarket tires, both things that might indicate modification. The camera work is junk, and I am wondering what might not have been shown as the pics & camera angles are not ones anyone with any sense would have chosen. In the 2nd one, don't confuse the dramatics of the vehicle with the difficulty of the obstacle. Most any stock-to-mildly built CJ/TJ/YJ/FSJ/Commando/KJ would have done that with no drama for a lot less coin. I don't think it would have given a stock Power Wagon or Rubi a moment's pause. I know I would not hesitate to take my KJ through there, even with less then $20K spent on it, including original purchase price and mods. A vehicle better suited to off-roading than the H2 could have used different lines & techniques to make all of that show the H2 needed uneccessary.

Did you see the recent pics of KJ04 ( I think) climbing the waterfall? Do you think that the staged car stunt or that bit of off-roading in the vid nears the difficulty of that waterfall? I honestly don't.