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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:00 pm 
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April 13, 2010, 9:11 am Consumer Reports Says Lexus GX 460 Is Unsafe

By CHRISTOPHER JENSEN2010 Lexus GX 460.
12:36 p.m. | Updated

Consumers should not buy the 2010 Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicle because
of a handling problem that could lead to a rollover and possibly “serious injury or
death,” according to Consumer Reports magazine.

A “don’t buy” warning is rare for the magazine, but there was no doubt it was
necessary, said David Champion, the senior director of the Consumer Reports
auto test division. The litmus test was whether the testers would want their
families in the vehicle. The answer was no, he said, so “I wouldn’t want anybody
else in it.”

The handling problem arises if the driver takes his foot off the gas pedal while
driving quickly through a sharp turn. That causes the rear end of the vehicle to
slide toward the outside of the turn, a condition known as “trailing-throttle” or
“lift-throttle oversteer.” On dozens of other S.U.V.’s tested by the magazine,
the vehicles’ electronic stability control system detected and quickly stopped the
slide. But the stability control didn’t stop the GX 460 until it was almost
sideways, Mr. Champion said.

“This is the first time we have seen it in an S.U.V. with E.S.C.” he said, referring
to electronic stability control. Consumer Reports said it was “rare” for the
magazine to “judge a vehicle’s performance not acceptable.” The last instance
was with the 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited in 2001.

Lexus, Toyota’s luxury car division, said it was “puzzled” by the magazine’s
results since it conducts its own tests, and safety is a top priority. But Lexus
said “we will take a very serious look at this and appreciate Consumer Reports’
bringing it to our attention.”


The magazine’s action is another public-relations problem for Toyota, a company
that probably figured public relations couldn’t get any worse.

In addition to complaints about unintended acceleration and Prius brakes, there
have been questions over whether the automaker was prompt in reporting
problems to federal safety investigators. Most recently the federal government
said it was seeking a $16.4 million fine, accusing the automaker of not acting
quickly enough. The automaker responded it is “considering a response.”

Mr. Champion said that the problem came to light at the magazine’s test track in
East Haddam, Conn., while looking for “any nasty habits that might catch a
driver out.” He explained, “We want a car to be benign.”

The particular test that concerned the magazine involves a turn that suddenly
gets sharper. The driver enters at about 60 miles per hour and then, as if
surprised, lifts off the gas. Ideally, the electronic stability control would stop a
slide caused by that maneuver, allowing the vehicle to safely complete the turn.

Four of the magazine’s drivers tested the Lexus without being allowed to watch
one another or to compare notes, Mr. Champion said. They met later and
discovered each had a similar problem with the tail sliding too far. “It was like
‘whoa, what about that rear end!’ ” he said.

He added that technicians from Toyota later inspected the vehicle and found it
met factory specifications. The magazine anonymously buys its test vehicles
rather than borrowing them from automakers.

Mr. Champion said such a problem could happen in everyday driving. For
example, a driver heading quickly through a turn — like a highway off-ramp —
who finds the turn is sharper than expected would naturally lift off the gas, he
said. The danger, he said, is that during such a slide tall vehicles like S.U.V.’s are
easily tripped by curbs or soft ground, potentially causing a rollover.

The problem with the Lexus is that the electronic stability control doesn’t work
well, Mr. Champion said. “The design is too slow to correct the slide before you
are too far gone.”

In its statement Lexus complained that the magazine did not demonstrate the
problem for its representatives. However, Mr. Champion said that when the
officials visited the track it was raining hard, which would have made an apples-
to-apples duplication impossible. But, he said, they showed the Lexus officials a
video of their earlier tests.

Mr. Champion said electronic stability systems used on other Lexus and Toyota
models have always worked quickly to stop slides, so the problem on the GX
460 was surprising. The new Toyota 4Runner, which uses the same basic
architecture as the Lexus, was tested the same day and did not have the
problem, he said.

“I think it is more a calibration issue of the electronic stability control,” Mr.
Champion said.

Even before its “not acceptable” rating of the 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited,
Consumer Reports had locked horns with automakers over the handling of
S.U.V.’s.

In 1996, it said the 1995-96 Isuzu Trooper and the mechanically similar 1996
Acura SLX could roll over during quick turns at low speeds. Isuzu filed a lawsuit
charging Consumers Union with product disparagement and defamation, but a
jury in Federal District Court in Los Angeles decided that although Consumer
Reports had made false statements about the Trooper, it had not defamed and
disparaged Isuzu Motors.

A better-known case, involving the small Suzuki Samurai S.U.V. dragged on for
eight years before Suzuki and Consumers Union agreed in 2004 to settle their
legal dispute over the magazine’s assessment of the Samurai’s propensity to roll
over. Neither the company nor Consumer Reports admitted fault and neither
received monetary compensation, though the magazine agreed to release a
“clarification” saying its description of the Samurai’s performance “was limited to
the severe turns” in the magazine’s tests and “may have been misconstrued and
misunderstood.” Consumers Union “never intended to state or imply that the
Samurai easily rolls over in routine driving,” the statement said.

The article in dispute was published in an anniversary issue of Consumer Reports
in 1996, a year after the Samurai was discontinued; the article was based on
testing conducted in 1988.

The case eventually reached the United States Supreme Court, which in 2003
refused Consumers Union’s appeal of a lower court ruling requiring the
organization to stand trial in the product disparagement suit brought by Suzuki.


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further proof that toyota is trying to kill us...

I think that is worse than the write up on the 02 kj

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Kinda glad I don't own any toyota stock. :grim:

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Further proof that C.R. si full of crap: That is basically a rebodied 4runner, and they aren't calling it a death trap.

I have said for at least a decade that Toyota is a POS company, though.

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WOOHOO!!! Gonna go get me one of those tomorrow. :BINGO: :BINGO: :BINGO:

So sick and tired of vehicles now a day that are designed to be judge and jury on how you drive. I'd gladly take a vehicle with a faulty system like that so that I can drive the vehicle how I want to drive it and not look at the idiot light on the dash 8)

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If they're going to create a roll-over death trap, they have to be able to control the thing some way. Otherwise, lawyers get richer.

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If you can't believe that, wait till you read this :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

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Cosmic rays broke my Toyota

It's the oldest excuse in the book. Plagued by ‘unexpected acceleration' problems in your usually reliable automobiles? Already issued a comprehensive recall? American media still on your back?

Blame the aliens.

OK, not aliens exactly. Cosmic rays. Toyota has - and we're really, really not making this up - called in NASA's engineering team to investigate whether cosmic rays could have been responsible for the mysterious ‘stuck accelerator' scandal that has plagued the manufacturer in recent months.

Cosmic rays. Rays from space. It sounds, frankly, a bit mental... but it might not be.

Many suspect that Toyota's accelerator glitches have been caused by electronic problems, and one well-documented - albeit rare - cause of electronic problems is when cosmic radiation hits electronic chips. Remember the Qantas plane nearly-crash?

The risk of cosmic ray interference is expected to increase as chips and circuits get smaller.

In a worryingly prescient interview with the BBC a couple of years ago, Intel's senior scientist Eric Hannah predicted the whole thing.

"You could be going down the autobahn at 200 miles an hour and suddenly discover your anti-lock braking system doesn't work because it had a cosmic ray event," Hannah said in 2008. "It's strange, but this is the reality we're moving into as we get smaller and smaller circuits."

Spooky, eh? NASA is due to report on its Toyota findings in late summer. Martian lawyers, prepare your defence case.

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Shhhh!!!! I'm busy making my tin-foil helmet!

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Consumer Reports is a slanted publication (Bonsi Tree Huggers love it). A few years ago I met one of their Engineers who tests cars.
Let me put it as politely as I can, I am very happy she did not work for JEEP :!:
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