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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:03 am 
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The Yokota AFB (next to Tokyo, Japan) position is opening and I have a chance to get it. I would have to do a contract of 3-5 yrs there but I get return rights back to my job here in Colorado. Return rights mean after my time overseas as a civilian employee is up, I automatically get the job I currently have now, back, no matter who is currently there working it.

My mom's family lives in Tokyo, but it is a tough decision. A lot of planning. My condo, rent it and risk it getting desrtoyed by crappy renters, or leave it empty the whole time. Working overseas, the Air Force would give me on-base housing so I would not have to pay to live there. If I rent the condo, my mortgage is covered and I would have a lot of money to play with while in Japan. If I leave it empty, it would be the same as paying for it right now, but living in Japan for free. Can't sell the place since I am down 43% in value.

Not sure what is covered for civilians as far as shipping goods and vehicles there and back. I may have to store everything away for the length of time. Sell my KJ?

Pet quaratines are a big issue. My cat is my buddy and he is 10 yrs old and I can't see leaving him in quarantine for as long as 6 months. Just started dating a woman regualrly. At my age, finding a younger good woman is not easy. Been searching for 14 yrs. No interest in Japanese women so toss that idea out before you type it.

Tough call.

Has anyone been to Tokyo recently or stationed at Yokota in the last 10 years?


If it was Ramstein (Germany) or Aviano (Italy), I would not hesitate and say yes. A chance to visit and tour all over Europe would be awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:47 am 
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Need help packing? Or actually, you are probably very experienced at packing....

No S.O. other than the cat to consider?

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
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Take it dude. How often do you get an opportunity to get paid to travel?

Rent the condo out, just make sure you put enough money aside to make repairs as necessary. You will need to find a reputable agency to "landlord" the property for you, since you will be out of the country. Find a buddy or another cat lover to take care of your cat. If not, six months in quarantine would be tough on a 10 year old cat, but doable if you have access to visit him. I understand; I'm a cat guy myself and had my Impala for 15 years before she passed away. My new cat is an orange furry reincarnation of Darth Maul - not the same.

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
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Go for it. We are headed back up to Alaska next year strickly for the money. My wife will get an automatic pay raise of 35,000 bucks, then kick in no state tax on wages, add 4.63% back in, no sale tax, add in 2.9% of what we spend which is a lot, you get to take your rent right off the top of your federal taxes, so that's a reduction of 7000 in taxable income, permanent fund which was 1300 a person. Comes to like a $45,000 pay raise. All for doing what you like.

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
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InCommando wrote:
Need help packing? Or actually, you are probably very expeienced at packing....

No S.O. other than the cat to consider?



You're not getting rid of me that easily. I will assume you say I am experienced at packing due to the military.

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That is a tough choice....... Wish I could offer you some advise........

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Tough choice, me I would do it. But, on the other hand, you could get very crappy renters.

Also my dad lived there for about 4yrs when he was stationed there, so i'll give him an ring and ask him about some of your questions

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Spent some time over there in '98.I'd go for it.If you see a 12 year old boy in Tokyo that looks like me say hi :shock: .


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Spent some time over there in '98.I'd go for it.If you see a 12 year old boy in Tokyo that looks like me say hi :shock: .


and tell him about the cool KJ that he could inherit......

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Don't the girls there looked like 12 yr old boys? :shock: :mrgreen:

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Don't the girls there looked like 12 yr old boys? :shock: :mrgreen:





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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
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Actually no interest in Asian women. Not my cup of tea....... Give me a brunette Scottish, Irish, or English woman or a blonde Scandinavian woman anyday.

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Actually no interest in Asian women. Not my cup of tea....... Give me a brunette Scottish, Irish, or English woman or a blonde Scandinavian woman anyday.

Roppingi District in Tokyo,hardly see a Asian women there,well at least when I was there though I found one.

Paddy Foley's Irish Pub there is awesome,well again was when I was there over 12 years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
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Okay... while not in the past 10 years as requested, much of what I have to say is still relevant, even tho it was back in the day when the dollar was actual worth something.

I spent 6 years at Yokota AB ('70~'76) which was a very busy place during the Vietnam era, and 7 years at Kadena AB in Okinawa ('84~'90). Even today I would jump at the chance to do it again. Be warned, it's expensive, very expensive. The Yen is now hovering at 90 yen to the dollar. Years ago 100 yen equaled 23 cents. Goes to show you what the world thinks of our dollar.

You will not be able to take your car. Buying a car over their is also an expensive proposition. Most buy older cars, but the 2 year inspection and yearly road taxes will be a lot higher than what you pay here. The two year inspection is expensive... they go over the vehicle with a fine tooth comb and fix everything that is broken. The JCI (Japanese Compulsory Insurance) also has two be bought in two year increments at the time the car is inspected, adding to the cost. Many GI's buy a used car 5~6 years old from a dealer near the base that caters to the service people. If they take care of it, it will last the entire tour. Many people junk their cars instead of going through the inspection and the costs involved. They find it cheaper to find a used car on the base lemon lot and buying a car that has a current inspect and JCI.

Most GI's suffer a huge financial loss going overseas because of having to sell their cars, renting/selling their homes etc and the cost involved in making the move. Check around with the guys you work with... many actually dread the move because of the expense, and many with over 20 years service will opt for retirement earlier than they had planned rather than take the assignment, even tho they get extra pay in the form of a cost of living allowance, overseas pay etc. It's not a move to be taken lightly.

Many GI's never stray far from base because of the expense and for a variety of reasons such as being afraid of being in a very stange place they do not understand. Many of the younger troops spend their time in the bars that cater to them downtown. The exception to the rule being a trip or two to downtown Tokyo by taking a 40 minute train ride to see the Ginza, Imperial Palace, Tokyo Tower and other sights around the city that it has to offer. The extent of off base travel for many is traveling to the different bases within a few hours of each other to see what the other base exchanges have to offer that theirs doesn't The Yokohoma, Yokouska and Atsugi Navy bases are favored weekend destinations for just that reason. The Navy Exchange is different from the Army and Air Force exchange system and offers many things you won't find at Yokota.

It's a cultural shock for sure. If you land during the hot and humid summer months, your nose will tell you immediately, as you step off the plane, that you have arrived in the Land of the Rising Sun (after a day or two you get used to it). Get out and enjoy your experience. Road signs and train station signs are in both Kanji and English which makes traveling easier. It's a beautiful country with many, many historic sites such as temples, shrines and castle that are well persevered and hundreds of years old... much older than anything this country has to offer. There is much to see and do around the base and the many festivals are something to experience. New Year's most women dress in kimonos as they go to visit shrines and temples to pray for good fortune in the up coming year. The summer Tanabata Festival held in Fussa and throughout the country is also an experience. The Oban Festivals and traditional dancing in the streets and parks in late summer is another experience you'll see across the country in smaller towns and villages.

Be sure to take a several day road trip, or do it by train to visit the temples and hot springs (co-ed bathing can still be found in some small places) in Nikko, home of the three monkeys of hear no evil, speak no evil and see no evil fame....

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3800.html

Also plan a 3~5 day trip to the old capitol city of Kyoto and Nara with their many sights and points of historical interest. The city is a living history book and old culture. It's also one of the most cleanest city in the world that you'll ever visit....

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2158.html

The easiest and fastest way to make the trip to Kyoto is via the Shinkansen (Bullet Train)....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen

You take the train from Fussa Station which is a short taxi ride from Yokota to Tokyo Station where you board the Bullet Train. It's an expensive experience in itself. It's very fast... quicker and more comfortable than flying. Cost for a round trip ticket is right at 27,000 yen, which at today's exchange rate is close to $300.00. The Shinkansen drops you off in downtown Kyoto by the Kyoto Tower within walking distance of several hotels and small Japanese style inns called Roykans.

http://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/abou ... /index.htm

Once in Kyoto you'll spend much of your time walking and taking buses and taxi's to your various destinations. Many of your trips can be planned and reservations can be made at the USO travel office on base.

If you're not an adventurer and don't plan to get out and experience the country... you would be well advised to decline the job offer. If you love travel and are willing to stray farther than a few miles from base... jump at the chance to go. I wish I had a skill that would enable me the opportunity to go back working for the military over there.

I liked it so much, that when I retired from the AF, I stayed on an extra two years at Kadena AB (even tho it does not come close to anything found on the mainland). I worked as a civilian for MWR at the Kadena Marina driving a small deep sea fishing boat catching mahi-mahi, wahoo, bonita, large jacks and an occasional sword. I also did dive charters when not fishing. Low wages made it very difficult, even with my AF retirement, so I had to throw in the towel and come back to the US.

Some may say it's un-patriotic or un-American, but if I had the chance... I would spend the rest of my days over there. The lack of crime, culture, beauty, history and the willingness of the locals to point you in the right direction when you get lost won't be as prevalent anywhere else as it is in Japan (especially the farther away you travel from the big cities).

Check out the links on the right side of the page, it will give you some insight of what to expect from the military point of view....

http://www.yokota.af.mil/

One final word... if you don't plan to get out and really explore the cities and rural country side, pass up the assignment. Once you get there, you'll hear many people complaining and moaning while they count down the years, months and days until their assignments are up and they can return to the "World". They key is to learn a little of the language which will really impress the locals by showing them you care and then get out and explore.

I almost forgot... Yokota is a great jumping off point for places to visit such as Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand and the Philippines. The USO offers special rates and tours to different places throughout the Far East. Believe it or not, a trip to Hong Kong during Christmas was one of the most popular tours.

Sorry for the long post, but it just goes to show how much I enjoyed my time over there.

Good luck and I envy your chance to go!! I wish I had the money to go, even if just for a few weeks vacation.

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I've seen many teacher in the Alaskan bush that came up to experience the culture and save the people. Well, the people don't need or want saved, and many teachers couldn't take the isolation. Many left before Thansgiving either on their own accord or the village ran them off. Think long and hard about what you are looking for.

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even with kids i would take the oportunity, to work OS and experience another way of life

i say you only live once GO FOR IT.

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 Post subject: Re: A chance to work overseas
PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:31 am 
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The guy I would be replacing said that everyone in that position always just use the same car. New guy gets the same car as the previous person in the job. Saves everyone money.

I was in Japan for 3 weeks back in `79 to see my relatives. Yen was 213 to the $1US. Definitely worse for the dollar.

After a lengthy talk with the woman I am dating, I have decided to stay here. Being divorced 16 yrs, my priority is for a trying to build a relationship and have someone special in my life. The job will always open up every 3-5 yrs since civilians can't stay longer than 5 yrs (rare few that can get it extended). So if the relationship goes sour and not in a relationship when it opens again, I'm there. Usually, we have months of advance notice to decide. This one was extremely short notice. Too short to make that big of a decision.

Besides, Ramstein (Germany) or Aviano (Italy) might open up soon.

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The Feds don't like the dollar to get to big and strong so it doesn't hurt export, but I here what you are saying. How long have you been dating? Like you said, there will always be something else open up, but don't wait too long in life to experience these things. One day, you may wake up and wish you had done some of these things while you could. Good Luck.

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