Front Bumper Forum - UPDATE

dirtykj · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:40 pm

Sign me up for one, too. 'cept I got an 05

ltwgs · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:43 pm

How much was the All J?

hoss75 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:13 pm

AdamIsAdam wrote:

Well, I count 6 serious buyers so far, plus Hoss75 mentioned he'd buy one. I just shot off an email to Quinn with this forum link just to be sure he knows the interest is out there.

Unfortunately it seems that even if/when AllJ does come out with one, there's to many differences between the 05s and the older models for it to work on the 05s. So I guess I'm SoL... Otherwise, I'd put a pre-order in right now if I could! Maybe I'll go with the ARB and replace my front springs with some heavy duty ones to counteract the weight.

chefdab · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:20 am

Actually those of you with an 05 will have less cutting of the fender flares in order to fit just about any aftermarket bumper.

skrracing · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:10 am

Guys, I do not want to come across as an a-hole but we need to keep in mind...Do you really want to place an order? I don't want to bring up a sore subject but keep in mind when you say you want something...Wally and I went to tons of trouble to make a very oustanding product for the KJ. The first time around we had close to 40 guys that say they wanted it and we even posted a price...No problem... then we had the product made and was ready to ship... We ask the guys to palce an order...nothing...we ask what happened??? Everyone ask if we could get the price lower.

This seems to be a common problem... and I understand why any shop my not want to make a run on a product if they think it might not really sell. Please guys dont push something that you are really up for placing an order. I remember talking about this some time ago on the old forum. Dont say we need this item...unless you are really willing to place an order.

I am not trying to speak for the All J Products guys but lets say they were to offer the front bumper for ...700 bucks which is way lower than anyone elses bumper...but needed a ture, firm comitted commitment from say 10 guys ...do we really have 10 guys that would call and give them a credit card number?

I am not trying to put anyone on the spot but we keep saying that we want products but when the vendors have them then we complain that the price is not right. I have wanted a rear cargo rack for the KJ from day one. the new 05 KJ plastic POS rack is very expensive and guys are upset because the rack that All J Products is a little over 2 bills...when the plastic POS is like $190. Whats wrong whith that picture?

Maybe it is because you guys have not seen the rack in person yet but I just dont see how anyone could make this product out of the same materials, the same craftmanship, powdercoated, packing and sell it for anything less...yet some guys seem to think that they should sell it for 100 bucks...No way man..

This does not apply to just one vendor but for all of them. I keep thinking about the old post on the old site that asked, "What products do we want for the KJ"?... if you really have an interest in a product...then be sure you are willing to pay for what you say you want...

If you guys are really are up for a very cool front bumper...powder coated, lighter weight than anyone elses bumper...then are you really ready to pay to have one shipped out to out to install? If so then let's see if we can really get this going...

I say,"Hey All J Products"..."If we come up with 10 guys... are you willing to setup 10 bumpers for us?" Any takers... do we really have even have 10 guys here that are up for this...If not then maybe we should just drop this and move on... Any takers? Looks like I am putting the LOST guys and the All J Products guys on the spot? later...Clint

hoss75 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:18 am

skrracing wrote:

..Wally and I went to tons of trouble to make a very oustanding product for the KJ. The first time around we had close to 40 guys that say they wanted it and we even posted a price...No problem... then we had the product made and was ready to ship... We ask the guys to palce an order...nothing...

THis must have been before my time.. what was the product just out of curiosity? ( I have a sneaking suspision I know the answer, just based on the way certain items are talked about)

skrracing wrote:

...If you guys are really are up for a very cool front bumper...powder coated, lighter weight than anyone elses bumper...then are you really ready to pay to have one shipped out to out to install? If so then let's see if we can really get this going...

I say,"Hey All J Products"..."If we come up with 10 guys... are you willing to setup 10 bumpers for us?" Any takers... do we really have even have 10 guys here that are up for this...If not then maybe we should just drop this and move on... Any takers? Looks like I am putting the LOST guys and the All J Products guys on the spot? later...Clint

If it fits an '05 and isn't anymore than $700 then I'm all in!

skrracing · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:28 am

Again guys, I am not pointing the finger at anyone...I am just saying that dont beat up on any of the vendors to make a product unless you are really wanting it. Lets see if we can get 10 guys that are really willing to put up for a bumper and then we will see if Quinn will work with us. Thanks guys. Any takers? Later...Clint

02LIBRT · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:44 am

Well said Clint.

I will start the ball rolling. I am in.

Later,
J

chemguy · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:35 pm

I just want a rear bumper and tire carrier :lol:

Steakgoddess · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:40 pm

How about 9 guys and a chick?
I am in.

Edited to say I have an 02.

Skyjump136 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:50 pm **Posts:** 1633

Clint is right. Let's get Quinn to quote us a price on these provided we get 10 serious buyers (and even that might not be enough people to get this going). You can't honest say you're in until we get some specs and the $$$ figures. I'd still like to know what the weight is on these as well.

IF the price is right and IF the specs sound good THEN count me in.

Edit: I just realized this does not allow me to use my stock fog lights. Hmmm...

02LIBRT · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:30 pm

Skyjump136 wrote:

Clint is right. Let's get Quinn to quote us a price on these provided we get 10 serious buyers (and even that might not be enough people to get this going). You can't honest say you're in until we get some specs and the $$$ figures. I'd still like to know what the weight is on these as well.

IF the price is right and IF the specs sound good THEN count me in.

Edit: I just realized this does not allow me to use my stock fog lights. Hmmm...

Skyjump.
NO IF's allowed. They only further the issue and reinforce the reasons that the bumper is not in production today.

Clint asked a specific question. The bumper is real and has been seen - It is lighter, allows more clearence, and IMHO looks better than any other bumper out there. Add to the fact that the price we are talking about (Yes, a price has been stipulated) is WAY less than any aftermarket currently available.

skrracing wrote:

I am not trying to speak for the All J Products guys but lets say they were to offer the front bumper for ...700 bucks which is way lower than anyone elses bumper...but needed a ture, firm comitted commitment from say 10 guys ...do we really have 10 guys that would call and give them a credit card number?

Please, guys (& girls) lets make sure that you are ready to do this today if you say you are in. As clint said, by saying you are in you are making a "True, firm comitted commitment". Take a look at the pictures of Wally's rig. This bumper is awesome.

Later,
J

DPKJ · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:49 pm

skrracing is right, step up to the plate. I wanted a bumper, ARB built one, I bought it. I was lucky and got a good deal, but if you want it, you have to be willing to pay the price.

As far as weight goes, the ARB is heavy, but the winch is heavier. Fortunately ARB makes springs to go with their bumper, with or without the winch. Now that is customer support!

Steakgoddess · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:07 pm

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Please, guys (& girls) lets make sure that you are ready to do this today if you say you are in. As clint said, by saying you are in you are making a "True, firm comitted commitment". Take a look at the pictures of Wally's rig. This bumper is awesome.

Just to clarify, I am ready to do this today.

the1jferg · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:50 pm

I'm in for a 02 model...front and rear

Skyjump136 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:50 pm **Posts:** 1633

You missed my point. How can you say you are definitely in if you don't know how much the bumper is? Are you still in if it costs $2000? Doubt it...

Let's wait and see what Quinn has to say on the subject before we "step up to the plate" for a non-existant product that we don't have any information on.

the1jferg · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:56 pm

It would be nice if it were less than ARB.

Steakgoddess · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:29 pm

Question:
About this bumper. Is this the final product? Or can it be modified slightly? Open 2" reciever in the center and 2 D ring shackles on either side?

fdezone · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:09 pm

I'm in "if" the cost is roughly $500.00, give or take $50 bucks. But for that kind of money, people would like to see what they're getting. What are the specs. I'd personally like to see tabs for mounting shackles. Sure I can purchase the tabs later on, but then I'd have to clean the surface, weld the tabs, and re-paint the bumper. Even so, I'd be willing to commit to becoming a guinea pig just to see some progress and get the ball rolling. I think most people have reservations because they want variety. We're really limited right now and no one wants to make a $1,000 purchase to see a better, cheaper product come out a month later. The ARB bumper looks really good. Price is not the issue with me. I personally don't like the grill hoop or the auxillary lighting holes. Nor, do I want to puchase a winch right off the bat to fill the void. It could be more streamlined. I like the KISS principle. I prefer the short, stubby, no non-sense, stealth look. I know the Monitor Lizard bumper and others should be coming out soon and I can understand people wanting to do some comparison shopping. We all understand the concept of supply and demand. Blah, blah, blah. Like I said, I'm in if the price is approximately $500. I wouldn't pay much more than that for that particular bumper.

jpzkj · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:45 pm

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Let's wait and see what Quinn has to say on the subject before we "step up to the plate" for a non-existant product that we don't have any information on.

A...there is a picture of the bumper in this post already !

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I'm in if the price is approximately $500.

The price was 700.00...why did you even bother posting?

This is exactly why there isn't a bumper for you to call in and order !

IM IN....Build it...I'll buy it...

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