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Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:56 pm

mb818 wrote:

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Thats all the OME lift is, the franken lift without the spacer.

not exactly... the way i understand it is they also add the Daystar top plate as well... and rancho struts instead of OME struts in the standard frankenlift...
and it's also my understanding that it's the top plate that get's you more droop and hence UBJ contact... as far as i know the rancho struts should be stock length since they are stock replacements...

my rusty's lift came with OME struts, but no top plate (had to re-use stock upper strut plate and spring isolators) so i assume that when you order an OME lift in it's truest form, it would consist of the struts and springs up front and shocks and springs in back.. no way to pre-assemble the struts without adding aftermarket parts...

jeepjeepster, you got your OME lift from All-J right? was it pre-assembled? if it was, do you know if the upper strut plate is original equipment (stock) or is it a daystar part?

Mark

Hmm, didnt know that it used the daystar upper plates. If it does come with the daystar upper plates then wouldnt it give more lift if it gave more droop? Still doesnt make sense.

Edit: Yes, my ome lift used the stock upper plates.

I was looking at this pic of the franken lift and its hard to tell but the upper plate looks the same?

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:22 pm

Im on the phone with heather at All J products and she said that with just the daystar upper plates and the ome springs you will get more lift than just using the ome springs, which will also give you more lift than just the stock springs. She must of been mistaken like I said, so whoever I upset by saying that im sorry, you must of also been mistaken. :wink:

Just the ome springs will give you 1.5in of lift.

So if you just use the ome springs and daystar upper plate you will get over 1.5in of lift. I have the ome HD rear springs and ome medium front springs with the stock upper plate and my jeep looks perfect. Some people may like the front of their jeep higher but I dont.

JFortier777 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:42 pm

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Hmm, didnt know that it used the daystar upper plates. If it does come with the daystar upper plates then wouldnt it give more lift if it gave more droop? Still doesnt make sense.

Edit: Yes, my ome lift used the stock upper plates.

I was looking at this pic of the franken lift and its hard to tell but the upper plate looks the same?

Hey thats my picture!

Here are more from that set since it looks like you guys want a closeup.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:47 pm

Wow, that gives alot more lift! Big difference over the stock plates.

mb818 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:50 pm

i don't think that the daystar plate would give lift, but rather more droop (longer strut assembly at full extension)..
notice the the top of the spring in relation to the mounting bolts... they appear the same distance... but it's the strut shaft that is dropped quite a bit compared to stock...

now in contrast, an OTT spacer gives lift by relocating the spring and the strut together...

either way, UBJ contact (and, you would think, struts bottoming out) is going to be inevitable with both types of strut modifications...

Mark

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:10 pm

mb818 wrote:

i don't think that the daystar plate would give lift, but rather more droop (longer strut assembly at full extension)..
notice the the top of the spring in relation to the mounting bolts... they appear the same distance... but it's the strut shaft that is dropped quite a bit compared to stock...

now in contrast, an OTT spacer gives lift by relocating the spring and the strut together...

either way, UBJ contact (and, you would think, struts bottoming out) is going to be inevitable with both types of strut modifications...

Mark

True, I see what you are saying. Idk what the purpose of that is though. The stock upper plates with the ome struts are right on the spring at full droop. Whats the use of making the a-arm hit it? Why not just use the stock plate and add the spacer in there to get the extra lift? Im sure they have a reason for using that daystar plate.

mb818 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:25 pm

i'm not sure what the point of the strut relocation is either to tell the truth... OME struts at full extension with stock upper plates get you as close to contact with the spring as you would think you'd ever want without actually making contact...

the daystar plate is also the reason for the difficulty in getting the clevis reatached to the lower control arm when installing the frankenlift... simply because the strut assembly is so much longer when fully extended

my theory on including the daystar top plate with the frankenlift is the ability to offer fully assembled struts with the kit... or that it's so high up front with the spacer and spring that it wouldn't have ANY droop without it and just constantly top out the strut... or both.. but i could be wrong...

Mark

Guyute1210 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:59 pm

there is sure a lot of pwnage going on here...phew...deep breath...

macgyver · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:20 pm

mb818 wrote:

i'm not sure what the point of the strut relocation is either to tell the truth... OME struts at full extension with stock upper plates get you as close to contact with the spring as you would think you'd ever want without actually making contact...

the daystar plate is also the reason for the difficulty in getting the clevis reatached to the lower control arm when installing the frankenlift... simply because the strut assembly is so much longer when fully extended

my theory on including the daystar top plate with the frankenlift is the ability to offer fully assembled struts with the kit... or that it's so high up front with the spacer and spring that it wouldn't have ANY droop without it and just constantly top out the strut... or both.. but i could be wrong...

Mark

Guys,

The top plate is used with the short custom spacer at the bottom. If you used a stock top plate with an OME spring and a spacer only it would be way to stiff we tried it...... the top plate does in fact relocate the the strut down a little, but also allows the spacer to be used with the OME spring. There were more factors than just pre-assembling the struts involved. Ride quality was first and formost, the pre-assembly was a nice side benefit. If you run a Daystar top plate with a OME spring by itself, you will have to big of a gap without the spacer and the Jeep sag lower than stock. Go try it sometime. Before we started selling the Frankenlift, we started with a pile of every KJ suspension parts there were and started building. Our findings were the results of over a year of testing and trail and error. We tried no less than 15 different combos of parts before deciding on the set up we have now.

I really don't understand why all the confusion. The daystar top plate works with the spring and the spacer to create a great strut assembly. Without all of the parts you wouldn't have a Frankenlift. Also upper ball joint contact will happen at full droop with just about all the KJ suspension systems. We didn't design the KJ's IFS, we just make it ride better and give KJ owners a nice controlled suspension system will last.

lilmatty · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:10 pm

And it sure does ride better. Thanks Quinn.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:43 am

Quinn,

BASF might want to talk to you about using their phrase.... :lol:

We don't make the products you use. We make the products, you use, better.

smithstoo · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:23 pm

mb818 wrote:

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I was told that with the franken lift you shouldnt get UBJC?

it's ALWAYS had UBJ contact... it's just that they "resolve" it with a poly bump stop integrated into the spacer... the older ones had a poly stop fastened to the strut with a hose clamp...

you know... any lift that has a strut relocation bracket or an OTT spacer has the potential to have UBJ contact... it's just the simple matter of moving the upper strut mount down that causes it... it makes the entire strut assy. too long in relation to the control arms..

one thing i never understood was, when i was researching lifts, i emailed All-J and asked if i could get the frankenlift without the upper strut plate (relocation bracket)... heather told me that i could not because they don't keep stock upper strut plates in stock... so then i asked about a frankenlift without the spacer... i was told then that the front end would actually be lower than stock... that's the part i didn't understand... how can that be when you've got a longer spring and an upper strut plate that moves the strut down?

that's when i basically said to myself "f*ck it... i'm getting rusty's coil lift and not deal with these sorts of problems"

Mark

thanks for posting an alt view pt & option to the franken lift.
we picked up our 06 rene & are wanting to retain stock quality drivabilty
yet get some additional hieght for the stock skid plate group in hopes to aviod
high centering in extreme washes .
The stock kj are definitly more than capable.
Installing mods that mantain the jeep stock kj basic engineering
sounds to me a best practice that should be always adhere.
have you only done the coil lift or did you find the 2.5 suspension kit would be better overall?
all the best

bc

mb818 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:03 pm

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thanks for posting an alt view pt & option to the franken lift.
we picked up our 06 rene & are wanting to retain stock quality drivabilty
yet get some additional hieght for the stock skid plate group in hopes to aviod
high centering in extreme washes .
The stock kj are definitly more than capable.
Installing mods that mantain the jeep stock kj basic engineering
sounds to me a best practice that should be always adhere.
have you only done the coil lift or did you find the 2.5 suspension kit would be better overall?
all the best
bc

i'm not sure what you mean here... i have only done the Rusty's Coil lift, which is a 2.5" suspention lift...

you can see pics of my setup here after the lift and tires were put on
[url]http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=10999
[/url]

Mark

smithstoo · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:20 pm

mb818 wrote:

Quote:

thanks for posting an alt view pt & option to the franken lift.
we picked up our 06 rene & are wanting to retain stock quality drivabilty
yet get some additional hieght for the stock skid plate group in hopes to aviod
high centering in extreme washes .
The stock kj are definitly more than capable.
Installing mods that mantain the jeep stock kj basic engineering
sounds to me a best practice that should be always adhere.
have you only done the coil lift or did you find the 2.5 suspension kit would be better overall?
all the best
bc

i'm not sure what you mean here... i have only done the Rusty's Coil lift, which is a 2.5" suspention lift...

you can see pics of my setup here after the lift and tires were put on
[url]http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=10999
[/url]

Mark

rusty off-road shows theses two options as being available for the kj.
http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=rustys&Category_Code=sus_kj_kit

kolesy · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:23 pm

Quote:

thanks for posting an alt view pt & option to the franken lift.
we picked up our 06 rene & are wanting to retain stock quality drivabilty
yet get some additional hieght for the stock skid plate group in hopes to aviod
high centering in extreme washes .
The stock kj are definitly more than capable.
Installing mods that mantain the jeep stock kj basic engineering
sounds to me a best practice that should be always adhere.
have you only done the coil lift or did you find the 2.5 suspension kit would be better overall?
all the best
bc

This is how I looked at it when I did my lift. I put the 2.5" coil lift on. I still had the stock rims and the Lib seemed even more top heavy so I decided to go with some new back spaced rims. I figured I raised the KJ a good three inches with the lift and some other little mods, so I wanted a wheel that gave the rig that much wider of a stance. The stock rims have a back spacing of 5.5" so I wanted a new wheel with 4" backspacing. I found the Cragar soft 8s in 16x7 with 4" backspacing for only like 48 bucks a peice. Once I put them on the ride handled better than stock and rode a lot smoother with the brand new suspension. Hope this helps ya BC.

ratmloud · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:26 pm

so if i get a franken lift and then al's a-arms will they solve the problems? franken and al's=problem free heaven?

mb818 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:54 pm

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rusty off-road shows theses two options as being available for the kj.
http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merc ... sus_kj_kit

yeah... the top one is the spacer lift... the bottom one on that page is what i have... it's got new coil springs and new struts and shocks

Mark

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