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auggy · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:07 pm

Seth is alive :lol:

Are you still converting your KJ to sfa?

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:00 pm

ARBSeth wrote:

Straight from the source (That's me....)
OME925 (Light coils) 385MM Spring height 375Lb rate
OME926 (Med Coils) 392MM 375 Rate
OME927 (Heav Coils) 394 MM w/ 400# Rate

So, you can see we don't lie. You use it the way we tell you to, you'll net about 1.5 to 2" in the front and a tad more in the back. Light = stock load, med = about 100#'s extra weight, Heavies = about 175# extra weight.

If you use a heavy without the extra weight, you'll net more height. It rides rougher than we'd like, but it works. Make sense?

Thanks seth! That some good info! Im glad that people cannot get more than 2" even though they say they do..

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

Thanks for the info ARBSeth.

If I'm reading this correctly, the light and medium coils are the same rate. The difference is slightly more lift from the medium coils if you don't have extra weight? Do you think 255/65R17's would fit instead of these 245/65R17's with them?

Bodin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:38 pm

Jeepjeepster: "Thanks seth! That some good info! Im glad that people cannot get more than 2" even though they say they do.."

As I stated before....my measurement are accurate (3" in back and slightly over 2 1/4" in front) as I am sure other people on this site can also measure accurately....so, some poeple are getting more than 2". Sorry to dissappoint you.

warblade666 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:07 pm

Like said before, It just depends on your stock springs.

My stock hight to the fenders was 32.0" front & rear (i think the rear had lost 0.5" already) with stock 215/75's.

When I first installed my spacer lift it gave me 2.0" lift = 34.0" front & rear(35.5" to fender w/ 245/75's), now after two years the rear was at 1.0" lift (34.5" to fender w/ 245/75's). I just installed SJ 2.5" springs last week, and now it's at 36+" (to the fenders) with the same 245/75's.

So I had lost about 1.5" of hight in the rear in just 2 years. If you were to add OME's 1.5"-2.0" rear springs that would look like 3.0"-3.5" of lift, but it's still really only 1.5"-2.0".

So no, you don't get 3.0" lift. You still only get about 1.5"-2.0" from STOCK HIGHT, before the springs had lost that 1.0"-1.5" in hight.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:08 pm

Bodin wrote:

Jeepjeepster: "Thanks seth! That some good info! Im glad that people cannot get more than 2" even though they say they do.."

As I stated before....my measurement are accurate (3" in back and slightly over 2 1/4" in front) as I am sure other people on this site can also measure accurately....so, some poeple are getting more than 2". Sorry to dissappoint you.

Huh, Im not dissappointed at all. There are so many varibles with this its not even worth worrying with. The size of tires, type of skids, amount of clevis lift, the last time you took a crap, all of these make a difference in the amount of lift you get. :wink:

Edwin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:17 pm

Thanks seth! That some good info! Im glad that people cannot get more than 2" even though they say they do..[/quote]

Why would you be glad, that peoplw are not gettin more than 2"?

OzLtd · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:44 am

ARBSeth wrote:

Straight from the source (That's me....)
OME925 (Light coils) 385MM Spring height 375Lb rate
OME926 (Med Coils) 392MM 375 Rate
OME927 (Heav Coils) 394 MM w/ 400# Rate

Seth, stock CRD coils are 410Lb, and OME 927's are 430Lb to be exact.
King Springs make an extra HD lift coil thats 440Lb - uses 16.5mm wire.
Just wanted to be pedantic

!!

And by the way, Rock Lobster, I think you should edit the title of your thread. You've assumed too much in your title and that's simply not the case. (freindly)

Jeger · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:46 am

OzLtd wrote:

ARBSeth wrote:

Straight from the source (That's me....)
OME925 (Light coils) 385MM Spring height 375Lb rate
OME926 (Med Coils) 392MM 375 Rate
OME927 (Heav Coils) 394 MM w/ 400# Rate

Seth, stock CRD coils are 410Lb, and OME 927's are 430Lb to be exact.
King Springs make an extra HD lift coil thats 440Lb - uses 16.5mm wire.

Just wanted to be pedantic

!!

If OME HD's are stiffer than stock CRD fronts, then what has been the fuss about OME's not being strong enough for the front of the CRD?

Apollo · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:43 am

Jeger wrote:

OzLtd wrote:

ARBSeth wrote:

Straight from the source (That's me....)
OME925 (Light coils) 385MM Spring height 375Lb rate
OME926 (Med Coils) 392MM 375 Rate
OME927 (Heav Coils) 394 MM w/ 400# Rate

Seth, stock CRD coils are 410Lb, and OME 927's are 430Lb to be exact.
King Springs make an extra HD lift coil thats 440Lb - uses 16.5mm wire.

Just wanted to be pedantic

!!

If OME HD's are stiffer than stock CRD fronts, then what has been the fuss about OME's not being strong enough for the front of the CRD?

I did not understand it ether until i had the ARB front bumper installed with a winch! Man it stood there like a funny car just waiting for the lights to go green. The front end droped and if you put on breaks hard it felt like the rear end was about to slide out on me. I have now removed the the winch and have a 12mm spacer plate installed just to get back what i lost with the bumper. Its still a bit bounce for my liking. The winch is now a dust collector in the garage.

ARBSeth · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:42 am

Jeez... ok... more info:

CRD's are fine w/ the 927's assuming you don't run a bar and winch. Aussies use em and they seem to be working, but we have had some issues with sagging... New CRD specific springs have been discussed, but we'll see if they come out in the future. We keep getting mixed signals from DC about the future of the truck in general. As for 927's being 430 #'s, my book tells me other wise. If you know something I don't... please PM me. All KJ springs from OME use a 16MM bar diameter per OME17(US guide) and OME20(Aussie Guide)

255's? I dunno. Try em and let us know. I wouldn't run anything bigger than a 245 with our lift, but that's just me, and you'll have to smash the pinch weld down like everyone else.

Anyway... that's all for now.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:11 pm

Edwin wrote:

Thanks seth! That some good info! Im glad that people cannot get more than 2" even though they say they do..

Why would you be glad, that peoplw are not gettin more than 2"?[/quote]

There been a disagreement forever about this.. Everyone says they get more than 1.5in but it seems like its clear as to why they think this..

Edwin · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:10 pm

Mine got over 2". Maybe because everything is bigger in The Republic of Texas.

Rock Lobster · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:24 pm

OK, so as to hopefully slow the pissing (Can I say that in the boards- sorry if not) contest about this and put this forum to bed. Let me summerize what I think I heard, with tounge firmly planted in cheek.

1st - No matter what lift you buy it will eventually drop. so get a new one every few years
2nd - Everybody's springs are different so if a manufacture says they have a certian height it might not be what you get.
3rd - Tires change the heigth, but don't buy too big because they rub
4th - Spacers change the heigth - but make the ride harder and put potentually undo stress on things , leading to early breakage
5th - HD OME springs are 2mm taller , so definitely buy the BIG ones!
I think that sums it up ....what have I missed????
OH yeah - why am I getting a lift again???
That's right! Because I can

Thanks guys for all you input! I have learned a lot. Be it all, that I am still confused.

RockLobster

P.S. The subject heading had question marks denoting that I was asking the question was it true. I hope I didn't imply that OME was lying just that I didn't get the reasoning.

Edwin · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:57 pm

Rock Lobster wrote:

OK, so as to hopefully slow the pissing (Can I say that in the boards- sorry if not) contest about this and put this forum to bed. Let me summerize what I think I heard, with tounge firmly planted in cheek.

1st - No matter what lift you buy it will eventually drop. so get a new one every few years
2nd - Everybody's springs are different so if a manufacture says they have a certian height it might not be what you get.
3rd - Tires change the heigth, but don't buy too big because they rub
4th - Spacers change the heigth - but make the ride harder and put potentually undo stress on things , leading to early breakage
5th - HD OME springs are 2mm taller , so definitely buy the BIG ones!
I think that sums it up ....what have I missed????
OH yeah - why am I getting a lift again???
That's right! Because I can

Thanks guys for all you input! I have learned a lot. Be it all, that I am still confused.

RockLobster

P.S. The subject heading had question marks denoting that I was asking the question was it true. I hope I didn't imply that OME was lying just that I didn't get the reasoning.

No problem here bud.

moose · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:31 pm

I think you are implying a bit much with the title, but it's your thread...

OzLtd · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:35 pm

ARBSeth wrote:

CRD's are fine w/ the 927's assuming you don't run a bar and winch. Aussies use em and they seem to be working, but we have had some issues with sagging... New CRD specific springs have been discussed, but we'll see if they come out in the future. We keep getting mixed signals from DC about the future of the truck in general. As for 927's being 430 #'s, my book tells me other wise. If you know something I don't... please PM me. All KJ springs from OME use a 16MM bar diameter per OME17(US guide) and OME20(Aussie Guide)

Thanks Seth.

OME didnt make the 927 because of the CRD, they made it because of the BAR + WINCH SAG scenario. Using 927's on a CRD with no Accessories nets you around 55mm of lift, but put a BAR + Spotties on (a CRD this is) and it goes down around 25mm - AND THIS IS FOGETTING ABOUT THE WINCH FOR A MOMENT !! Add a Winch & she'll drop back to nearly stock. Sad, but true. The arguers' out there say they'll get 10-15mm of lift, cool, whatever. But generally speaking this is the case.

Ergo, this is why I am working with ARB & Kings at the moment to try & help solve the CRD + BAR + WINCH Crisis. Nearly everyone I know of who has these features (incl the petrol lads) complain of the front end Sag. The rear if fine.

JeepnJer · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:48 pm

Rock Lobster wrote:

OK, So what is up with everybody telling me that OME has a 2.5" and a 3" lift for the Libby's. I have called and checked with OME and they say they only have a 1.5" lift for the Libby. Yet I see several guys who say they have a 2.5 or more on this site. Is everybody getting more out of there lift than what the manufacturer says or what?? Please HELP.

I installed OME HD springs front/rear about a month ago. After several 'wheelin trips, it has settled in at 2.5" front and rear. I also did a 1/4" clevis conduit spacer lift (2 spacers), which is probably why I netted 2.5" total in the front. I suspect w/o the clevis lift, I still would have netted over 2" of lift in the front. I went from 6.5" under the front skid up to 9".
That's with stock 235 tires.

Outback · **Posted:** Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:12 am

I have OME springs, Shocks and Struts with some extra plates and spacers that give me 3 1/2" lift.
Why do OME say 1 1/2" easy their first offering gave a 1 1/2 -2" lift on the early KJ's (Those who own them know they were lowered in the later models for surposed instability) "it's a Lawyer thing I wouldn't understand.."

ARBSeth · **Posted:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:16 pm

Pretty sure I said...
"CRD's are fine w/ the 927's assuming you don't run a bar and winch."
Yup, that's what I said. I work for the company that makes them. I think I would know.

A lot of you guys drop me lines, asking why I don't post much on the board anymore. This is why. As a MFR, it's hard for me to see misinformation about our product (or others for that matter) and not say anything about it. I know everyone is just tyring to help each other out... but please, if you're not sure about something... just ask. Our number is listed... pick up the phone, give me a call. It's what they pay me for.

A lot of people are saying you can't use the 927's w/ a CRD. Not true. They work fine, you just can't put any extra weight on the nose. If you have a question, drop mea line and I'll get back to you as soon as I'm able.

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