Do not under estimate any vehicle with the right (OPERATER) not (DRIVER) anybody can just drive a vehicle. I had the privelage a few years ago to go wheeling in the rocky mtns. with an offroad club from Fort Collins CO. Many members were regulars in offroad magazines. They invited us Tech students at the time from Laramie Wyo. While on the trail there was a man driving a stock early 80s subaru brat. The members said the man was quiet and never said much but had not misses an offroad run in the mountains in years and nobody could ever remember ever helping or pulling him out he usually picked his own route up the mountain , but never far from the main trail always in sight but only if there were rocks or snow and or mud were to deep on the main trail.

NOW THAT WAS IMPRESIVE.

Not bragging but I even got a lot of complimants that day. People Were amazed that I could rock climb with a bone stock 89 chevy 4x4 ext cab short box 5spd. several rock trails that almost every cj had to get several runs at and some needed to be winched up, I climbed them all and never even spun a tire. Running boards were destroyed though. I did have my trouble spot though on side hills had to get winched back up onto the trail acouple of times 10 ply cordovans aired down are still WAY to stiff for getting any traction on snowy side hills. found out it takes 2 cjs with 12K winches to get the chevy on the trail again.

I know this is a bit off subject but I had to put in my 2 cents worth also.

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02 Liberty Renegade, Cactus green, 3.7l stage 1 jet chip, K&N filter. Still gutless . I WANT A DIESEL .

I was there when that happened. The vid was shot by vxla. The cj did die and would not restart...the dist got wet. No the libby did not go through the pit...that would not have been a good idea. If you look at how deep that pit is...i.e those are 35" tires on the Cj. It was great to see the liiby pull the cj out...we still give the cj owner trouble.