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Author:  thebluebus [ Sat May 19, 2007 2:20 am ]
Post subject:  Jeepin by Al A-Arms
Can anybody explain to me the need for Al's a-arms if I lift?

I'm hoping to get lifted soon, and a lot of folk on here list Al's arms in their sig too.
Al says this on the site:

"The Jeepin' By Al Upper A-Arms were designed for your lifted Liberty and will directly replace your stock a-arms. The original equipment a-arm hits the spring, which causes premature ball joint failure on Liberty's with a lift kit. The Jeepin' By Al A-Arms are compatible with all the lift kits on the market today!"

How does it hit the spring? How does that hurt the bj's?

Sorry for stupid questions :roll:

Thanks.
Author:  Dje Ryu [ Sat May 19, 2007 2:47 am ]
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This is what the contact looks like:

Image

The bj's are not that strong to begin with so a few good hits and they are done for. If you have a spacer lift, the oem struts won't be far behind, imo. Save the costs of a lot of things (and the headache of trying to locate Al's arms) and just do this (Rusty's sus. lift):

Image

Notice? No ball joint contact, what-so-ever!
Author:  spencevans [ Sat May 19, 2007 3:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeepin by Al A-Arms
thebluebus wrote:
Can anybody explain to me the need for Al's a-arms if I lift?

I'm hoping to get lifted soon, and a lot of folk on here list Al's arms in their sig too.
Al says this on the site:

"The Jeepin' By Al Upper A-Arms were designed for your lifted Liberty and will directly replace your stock a-arms. The original equipment a-arm hits the spring, which causes premature ball joint failure on Liberty's with a lift kit. The Jeepin' By Al A-Arms are compatible with all the lift kits on the market today!"

How does it hit the spring? How does that hurt the bj's?

Sorry for stupid questions :roll:

Thanks.


I don't have Al's arms because I currently have no need for them. At full droop the ubj has a tendancy to contact the coil spring. If you have bump stops you can reduce the chance of UBJ contact. Allj's has them on their Frankenlifts.

If you damage your stock UBJ you must replace the whole Upper Control Arm because they come as a pair. Al's arms are designed to eliminate UBJ contact. They also have replaceable ball joints.

Are they neccesary? IMO every KJ is different. Some need them and others get by just fine with the stockers.

Al's arms should be compatible with the KJ lifts on the market.
Author:  spencevans [ Sat May 19, 2007 3:10 am ]
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Nice pics



Dje Ryu wrote:
This is what the contact looks like:

Image

The bj's are not that strong to begin with so a few good hits and they are done for. If you have a spacer lift, the oem struts won't be far behind, imo. Save the costs of a lot of things (and the headache of trying to locate Al's arms) and just do this (Rusty's sus. lift):

Image

Notice? No ball joint contact, what-so-ever!
Author:  thebluebus [ Sat May 19, 2007 4:47 am ]
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So it's likely that if I go for a proper spring lift not spacers, then Al's arms won't be required?

Thanks.
Author:  Skyjump136 [ Sat May 19, 2007 7:07 am ]
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thebluebus wrote:
So it's likely that if I go for a proper spring lift not spacers, then Al's arms won't be required?

Thanks.


Not necessarily...it depends more on the length of struts you use. Longer struts can equal more droop (a good thing), but can also mean some spring contact (not as good) due to the added articulation.
Author:  Eddo [ Sat May 19, 2007 8:12 am ]
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With Al's upper a-arms you may still have contact between the a-arm and springs. I still do on my Frankenlift and would assume it would be the same for the Daystar lifts because they use the same top plate. However, the springs is now contacting the steel ball joint bung as opposed to ripping the boot as with the stock A-arms. Either way a like piece of rubber/polyurethane acting as a lower extension bumpstop works. The new a-arms do help with the alignment and allow it to track a little straighter on the highway.
Author:  onespeeder [ Fri May 25, 2007 12:34 am ]
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Eddo wrote:
With Al's upper a-arms you may still have contact between the a-arm and springs. I still do on my Frankenlift and would assume it would be the same for the Daystar lifts because they use the same top plate. However, the springs is now contacting the steel ball joint bung as opposed to ripping the boot as with the stock A-arms. Either way a like piece of rubber/polyurethane acting as a lower extension bumpstop works. The new a-arms do help with the alignment and allow it to track a little straighter on the highway.


I still have a little contact on mine too. However the reason that I got Al's A-arms was multiple. First, it straightened the angle of the upper ball joint therefore relieving a little extra wear on it. Secondly, it replaced the top ball joint with a much stronger, replaceable, greasable joint. Thirdly, because of the improved angle, it made the front end easier to align and stay aligned.
Author:  Tokyojoe [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:32 am ]
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You DO NOT need Al's A-arms if you get Rusty's 2.5" Coil Lift. If you get the Frankenlift, you MAY need them.

If you do a clevis lift with your Frankenlift, I do believe you WILL need the a-arms.

Not sure if you will need them with the Rusty's and a clevis lift.

A-arm contact as shown in the pictures above are the reason.
Author:  MP Jeeper [ Sun May 27, 2007 7:40 pm ]
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i believe the recommendation after lifting is to let it settle a bit B4 going w/Al's upper A's. i waited about 10 months after Frankenlifting mine. Could never get good alignment until Al's upper A's. After that install, NO PROB'S!

Personally, i would highly recommend you change the LBJ's when you install the lift. i did not as i had the MOOGs ordered when i lifted. My right LBJ failed just one week after installing the lift :cry: (MOOG's came in the mail the next day!). Believe me you'd rather not have to go through that mess! Good luck! ! !
Author:  Jeepjeepster [ Mon May 28, 2007 1:36 pm ]
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MP Jeeper wrote:

Personally, i would highly recommend you change the LBJ's when you install the lift. i did not as i had the MOOGs ordered when i lifted. My right LBJ failed just one week after installing the lift :cry: (MOOG's came in the mail the next day!). Believe me you'd rather not have to go through that mess! Good luck! ! !


Should of checked the lower joints when the lift was installed. They do not just fail unless they already have some slack in them. :)
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