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Author:  ProjektKJ [ Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:51 am ]
Post subject:  im dying here!
the great wide world of lifts it the worst place to be for a student ever..

im penny saving like a mo fo and im still kinda iffy on what kit to get because there just seems like there is so much out there.. so let me start with the lifts im looking at.

kit 1) full rusty's coil lift -465$
---> are some spacers used in this kit?

kit 2) OME medium duty springs all around w/ new shocks (either OME or Rusty's) and stock struts till i need new ones - about 280$
---> how much lift would i get out of this kit? 1.5 as advertised or more? would i have to add spacers for more? also does a non stock strut add lift?

kit 3) Rusty's 2" coils all around also with new shocks and also with stock struts - 320$

i really really want a lift however im kinda on a fairly tight budget.. OTT is out of the picture because it sounds like you might as well just burn that money you use on it, so im looking at a coil lift. for both kit 2 and 3 id eventually kinda turn them into my version of the rusty's coil lift with coils, struts, shocks and all.. however i think that because of what ive heard with contact issues id really like to have less than a 2.5" lift - ideally a 2" lift i think would be great for me

but for right now with my money the way it is im kinda weary to just jump right in with all of it and get the whole coil lift..

plese add all input to this as you can.. and if there is anything you would add to any of the lifts to make them better please tell me.. thanks for all your help in advance

-trenton
Author:  jelohead [ Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:30 am ]
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Rusty's full coil lift is what i just installed, although, i upgraded to the OME LONG rears from All J's not from Rusty. darn near 700 after the smoke cleared.....or just use Rusty's rears and call it a day for 465. no other spacers are NEEDED, but some folks add a lock nut/clevis lift in front, and a Mopar rear spring isolator add on in the rear...total cost for that stuff is under $40. good luck
Author:  tommudd [ Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:39 am ]
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OME coils are great, you can also use some conduit nuts for a little extra and gain some heighth. With my setup the upper joint is about 1/8 inch maybe away from contacting , rides good, and looks almost as high, or as high as a Rustys full coil lift. I would really replace the front struts no matter which way you go as no use doing it twice. Everyone has the same problem trying to come up with the best lift for the best price. Look at some of the ones who have OMEs and I think they all look great. My pennys worth of advice

tom
Author:  ProjektKJ [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:40 am ]
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bump anyone?
Author:  raceinfan [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:30 am ]
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I have the Rusty's full kit & it's awesome the only differance is I'm running the Rancho shocks in back but I'm very happy with it
Author:  Tokyojoe [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:52 am ]
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Check the Daystar lift. I have not heard of any issues with it and it might be cheaper so it fits your budget.
Author:  Jeepjeepster [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:54 pm ]
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Kit 1: No spacers.. Good all around lift IF you get better rear shocks..

kit 2: Ive never seen OME coils that cheap.. Fairly sure a full OME lift is around $600 and you only get around 1.5-2" of lift where you get a full 2.5-3" with the rustys.

kit3: Isnt this the same as kit 1 but you changed the price? again, idk how you are getting the coils and shocks for that cheap..

DO NOT get OTT.. That lift should be illegal.
Author:  ProjektKJ [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:05 pm ]
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Jeepjeepster wrote:
Kit 1: No spacers.. Good all around lift IF you get better rear shocks..

kit 2: Ive never seen OME coils that cheap.. Fairly sure a full OME lift is around $600 and you only get around 1.5-2" of lift where you get a full 2.5-3" with the rustys.

kit3: Isnt this the same as kit 1 but you changed the price? again, idk how you are getting the coils and shocks for that cheap..

DO NOT get OTT.. That lift should be illegal.


well for both kit 2 and 3 im looking at individual parts from rusty online.. they have pairs of ome springs for 100$ and you can buy the rusty's springs for 129$ a pair also..

the shocks im looking at are either ome for 40$ a pop or rusty's for 30$ a pop...

the reason both kit 2 and 3 are cheap is because i wouldnt order struts for them right away.. i would wait till there were some rancho's on sale at a local auto shop and then get them.. this would for sure save me some major bucks..
Author:  jason thompson [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:36 pm ]
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first wait untill you can buy new struts as you will have to pay to have them compressed twice and that is a pure waste of money
I know that you want max lift for min money I was like that once and PAID dearly for it so please dont do it
Long story short
Fresh out of school bought a 4wd ford ranger and wanted to run 33's so i did a 3" body lift and the added a 1.5" lift block to the rear ,stupid
and then in my dumbest moment I tightened up the torsion bars to get another 1.5" or so of lift up front and got some 33's on it
well 12mpg and no go power even with the 4.0 V6 and a 5 speed and then 2 years later $1600 to replace every bushing and such on the front end on top of that I wanted to regear and lock it so I was looking at $3000+ because I could not wait and get the right stuff
I sold that truck as is and bought a TJ

I would/will only buy OME springs for a DD ,I think I have said that befor,
We have med all around and they ride great as far as shocks as long as they are installed correctly and you have the correct amount of bumpstop for that length shock then buy what you want but some will ride better than others I have OME and love them
The rustys shocks WILL make noise and $20 total in savings is just not worth it
as far as struts go why kid your self after 36-50K depending on driving the OE's are shot and need to be replaced
I have ranchos mainly because no one had the OME's when I wanted them but they ride fine I dont know how well the OME struts with the OME springs will ride but IMO the OME/rancho set up I have rides better then a full rustys coil lift
I have rode in a KJ with the full rustys kit

With the set up I have you can run 245/75 16 MTR's with little rubbing on OE wheels
Author:  Jeepjeepster [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:40 pm ]
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ProjektKJ wrote:

well for both kit 2 and 3 im looking at individual parts from rusty online.. they have pairs of ome springs for 100$ and you can buy the rusty's springs for 129$ a pair also..

the shocks im looking at are either ome for 40$ a pop or rusty's for 30$ a pop...

the reason both kit 2 and 3 are cheap is because i wouldnt order struts for them right away.. i would wait till there were some rancho's on sale at a local auto shop and then get them.. this would for sure save me some major bucks..


ahh, ok, didnt know that you were not buying shocks for 2 and 3 right away. Like Jason said, its best to go ahead and get at least the front shocks since you must take the suspension apart along with the coil overs just to put new shocks in. It wouldnt be a problem waiting for new shocks on the rear since those are held on by two bolts..

With the kits you have listed you cant really go wrong. None of them give upper balljoint contact unless you give it to much clevis lift... None of them will give to much lift so the cv's will be happy.. But remember the OME coils will not give as much lift(around 1" less).
Author:  o8k [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:13 pm ]
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what was the original issue w/ just doing a spacer lift again? are they bad somehow?
Author:  Donnie [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:41 pm ]
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Excuse my ignorance but what is OTT? A spacer lift?
Author:  elephantrider [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:46 pm ]
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ott - over the top spacer lift.

just means the spacer is on top of the strut assy..
Author:  slikjr [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:36 pm ]
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Ok, so I know I am going to take some heat for this, but I totally understand the "budget" situation so I am going to throw it out there anyways!!

I am running a "Rocky Road Outfitters Budget Lift". Yes, it's an OTT spacer in the front, and a big poly spacer under the spring in the back. I do believe it's $219, very cheap!!

Maybe I am one of the lucky ones, but I have had ZERO problems. I have ran the kit on both a 2002 and now on my 2007 KJ. I did have to replace the lower ball joints on the 2002, but it had 89,000km on it so it was inevitable. ANY lift is going to put added stress on the ball joints because they sit at a higher angle, the joys of IFS. A few ppl complain of the struts going and all sorts of other problems, but I personally vouch that I have had zero issues. I will agree with others who say that RRO's customer service sucks. I had a b*tch of a time getting it shipped (I'm in Canada so customs played a role). As far as I see it, once I have it on there, I don't need customer service anyways.

Like I said, seems ppl complain about them, but I will say that it has worked for me! If you need any info, let me know. I'll see what I can do.
Author:  ProjektKJ [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:47 pm ]
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jason thompson wrote:
first wait untill you can buy new struts as you will have to pay to have them compressed twice and that is a pure waste of money
I know that you want max lift for min money I was like that once and PAID dearly for it so please dont do it
Long story short
Fresh out of school bought a 4wd ford ranger and wanted to run 33's so i did a 3" body lift and the added a 1.5" lift block to the rear ,stupid
and then in my dumbest moment I tightened up the torsion bars to get another 1.5" or so of lift up front and got some 33's on it
well 12mpg and no go power even with the 4.0 V6 and a 5 speed and then 2 years later $1600 to replace every bushing and such on the front end on top of that I wanted to regear and lock it so I was looking at $3000+ because I could not wait and get the right stuff
I sold that truck as is and bought a TJ

I would/will only buy OME springs for a DD ,I think I have said that befor,
We have med all around and they ride great as far as shocks as long as they are installed correctly and you have the correct amount of bumpstop for that length shock then buy what you want but some will ride better than others I have OME and love them
The rustys shocks WILL make noise and $20 total in savings is just not worth it
as far as struts go why kid your self after 36-50K depending on driving the OE's are shot and need to be replaced
I have ranchos mainly because no one had the OME's when I wanted them but they ride fine I dont know how well the OME struts with the OME springs will ride but IMO the OME/rancho set up I have rides better then a full rustys coil lift
I have rode in a KJ with the full rustys kit

With the set up I have you can run 245/75 16 MTR's with little rubbing on OE wheels


so let me get this straight.. your running med ome coils all around, ome shocks, and rancho struts?

and thank you guys for all your input its all been very helpful!
Author:  dieselenthusiast [ Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:58 am ]
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I guess I’ll play devils advocate. :wink: I’d save your pennies until you can get exactly what you want. DREAM BIG! I want a Frankenlift, but I have to wait until my pennies add up. This way, assuming you keep the Jeep, you might want to add front and rear bumpers. The Frankenlift will hold up for you. More money upfront but better savings in the long run. I’d rather be conservative and save for something great than to become impatient and settle for something of lesser value to you That’s my opinion, but something I live my everyday life by.
Author:  jason thompson [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:09 am ]
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ProjektKJ wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
first wait untill you can buy new struts as you will have to pay to have them compressed twice and that is a pure waste of money
I know that you want max lift for min money I was like that once and PAID dearly for it so please dont do it
Long story short
Fresh out of school bought a 4wd ford ranger and wanted to run 33's so i did a 3" body lift and the added a 1.5" lift block to the rear ,stupid
and then in my dumbest moment I tightened up the torsion bars to get another 1.5" or so of lift up front and got some 33's on it
well 12mpg and no go power even with the 4.0 V6 and a 5 speed and then 2 years later $1600 to replace every bushing and such on the front end on top of that I wanted to regear and lock it so I was looking at $3000+ because I could not wait and get the right stuff
I sold that truck as is and bought a TJ

I would/will only buy OME springs for a DD ,I think I have said that befor,
We have med all around and they ride great as far as shocks as long as they are installed correctly and you have the correct amount of bumpstop for that length shock then buy what you want but some will ride better than others I have OME and love them
The rustys shocks WILL make noise and $20 total in savings is just not worth it
as far as struts go why kid your self after 36-50K depending on driving the OE's are shot and need to be replaced
I have ranchos mainly because no one had the OME's when I wanted them but they ride fine I dont know how well the OME struts with the OME springs will ride but IMO the OME/rancho set up I have rides better then a full rustys coil lift
I have rode in a KJ with the full rustys kit

With the set up I have you can run 245/75 16 MTR's with little rubbing on OE wheels


so let me get this straight.. your running med ome coils all around, ome shocks, and rancho struts?




YES
I have no clevis lift and no upper rubber pad out back just those listed parts
Author:  ProjektKJ [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:54 pm ]
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jason thompson wrote:
ProjektKJ wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
YES
I have no clevis lift and no upper rubber pad out back just those listed parts


sweet man! thats like exactly what im looking for and i think thats the lift im gonna put together when i get the money...

what is the total lift you get off that? 2"?

and do you have any sort of contact issues with that combo? also do your tires fit well under that?
Author:  jason thompson [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:50 pm ]
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ProjektKJ wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
ProjektKJ wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
YES
I have no clevis lift and no upper rubber pad out back just those listed parts


sweet man! thats like exactly what im looking for and i think thats the lift im gonna put together when i get the money...

what is the total lift you get off that? 2"?

and do you have any sort of contact issues with that combo? also do your tires fit well under that?




I have no suspension issues as far as contact
the tires rub some in the rear at full stuff but the front fits just fine
I still had to "move" the fog lamp door but no pinch issues even full stuff lock to lock

I also got ~2" maybe a slight bit more but right now ,6K+ later and a good bit of wheelin it is sitting at a solid 2"
Let me get on the other computer and I will get up a good pic for ya


OK took a while
Image
Author:  jason thompson [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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here's the other side
Image
OH and just for the record
JK 4 door rubi can NOT take this line they need to do some fancy angle stuff I just drive strait up and over :lol:
even better is that a stock FJ can NOT even make it up at all with out draging the front skid plate AND going on an angle at the same time
I would consider my KJ to be very mildly moded if at all
but a little goes a long way
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