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Author:  Rock Lizard [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:49 pm ]
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Been getting a lot of questions about these. Have some catching up to do on orders and finish the front bumper designing, but I guess I'll add these to my product line. I'll also have a full replacement rail basket rack setup in the near future, but here are the rails with a Defender basket rack mounted to it:

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Author:  Fulltimer [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:52 pm ]
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You did a real good job on them! I think sometime next year I'll be ordering a set but first things first.

Terry
Author:  WoodysKJ [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:53 pm ]
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OUTSTANDING.

Now I'm really pissed.

I was going to order rock rails first. How much are the roof rails? Do the follow the contours of the rear? difficult to tell.

are the bare steel, and I have to finish?

WHEN will they be offered?
Author:  dog_party [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:40 pm ]
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Very nice rails. Something new for my shopping list. :twisted:
Author:  chetos [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:44 pm ]
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Just checked out your website and didn't see a price. What are they going for? rails and basket? How much weight will it hold? Thanks.
Author:  tommudd [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:46 pm ]
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I guess that they would stay about the same width as the stock rails ? Like the looks for sure. See WHAT happens when someone gives you a sneak peek, yes.... going to start having one paycheck a month go directly into an RL account :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  raceinfan [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:48 pm ]
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THANKS Marty :x one more thing to scrownge up $$ for when thier ready :wink:

would I be able to use my Surco rack with those ???

someone asked about weight they would hold, I'm sure it will be a heck of alot more than the factory rails
Author:  bugnout [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:49 pm ]
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I'd love a set that extended all the way to the front. You could still use just the 2 mounting points, and have a foot on the most foward point that sits on the rubber. maybe even put a wind deflector or light mounts on the very front. I don't have a sun roof, and want to use the entire roof area.

I have a basket that pretty much covers the entire roof and its kind of hanging off the front cross bar a lot more than the aft cross bar.
Author:  Green Renegade [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:53 pm ]
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I'm quite confident that any roof rack you bolt to these rails will fail long before the rails do. In fact, I pretty sure these rails will support way more weight than anyone has any business strapping to the roof of their jeep.
Author:  WoodysKJ [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:23 pm ]
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I'll bet that Marty is sitting in his office reading this and saying "Holly Crap, what have i gotten myself into now?"

Marty, we are all starved for some DEDICATED KJ stuff. GOOD WORK.

Now GET TO WORK DUDE!!

You asked for it.
Author:  Rock Lizard [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:15 pm ]
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WoodysKJ wrote:
I'll bet that Marty is sitting in his office reading this and saying "Holly Crap, what have i gotten myself into now?"



Got most of that right, but I knew what I would get myself into, just no that much so quick.

Materials and actual assembly isn't that difficult, but the bending of the tube is the fun and costly part. I didn't actually weigh the rails before installing them, but I would guess under 10lbs each. The tube itself is 1/8" wall, same exact tubing I use on my Super Skinks, so they are pretty strong. The feet are 3/16" plate with a UHMW plastic pad on the bottom so it isn't steel sitting directly to the steel roof. I haven't sat down to figure up my actual cost yet, but from a quick glance at the receipts, retail for just the rails would be around $250. Shipping will be pretty cheap compared to sliders and bumpers, and they would come sandblasted no charge and I could paint them for you if wanted in Hammered Black for an extra $20 to cover paint, time, and packaging. If I get a bunch of orders for the first batch, then I could drop the price a little, say 10%. Because of the angles of the roof and the sliders, they angle outward just slightly compared to the OEM rails, so the overall width from one side to the other is slightly wider, so if you have a basket rack, you would need to look at the adjustability of the mounting and see that they can mount wider by atleast 2".

The full basket rack/rail design will have higher side rails by about 3" (still 2-3" shorter than the Defender rack on stock OEM rails), will have a square tube floor, rear bar with two light tabs, front bar extending slightly forward of the rack itself with four light tabs, and I could put a tab for a CB antenna on the front or rear bar. Price I don't know yet, but have a number in mind. Considering most "quality" heavy duty baskets like the Defender, Kargomaster, and similar run about $400-500 for the basket with light tabs and mounting brackets, and the OEM rails aren't rated for very much weight, My rack that bolts directly to the roof in the stock rail holes with the floor and the tabs, I would say right now $550 plus shipping.

Will be later in the year before I can mess with the basket design, but the replacement rails themselves I would mostly be waiting on my tube bender guy to make up the rails, then I would make up a jig in the meantime, and with being close to caught up on current orders, I would guess they would be ready sometime in October.

As for load rating, haven't had time to experiment, but the factory renegade plastic mounts are only rated for 65lbs. The factory rails are fairly strong, but the plastic mounts are crap. Reason I built Ted's (USAFCOP) rack is because he had a basket rack mounted to his factory rails, and flexed his jeep enough on an obstacle that the right rear mount actually shattered. Chase (Green Renegade), had atleast 200lbs of gear and a large cooler full of ice and beverages, and the rails didn't flinch. Chances are your roof will cave in before the rails or rack ever will.
Author:  Rock Lizard [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:19 pm ]
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Oh, and if you wanted just a low profile rack like Ted's, which is the replacement rails with (5) 1.25" OD 1/8" wall crossbars with four light tabs and a CB antenna tab in the front, it would be less $$ of course, about $425 give or take $25.

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Author:  AndySRT [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:27 pm ]
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sure give me something else to add to the list. that low profile rack is exactly what im looking for in a roof rack. keep up the good work and keep coming up with more ideas. :D .
Author:  AbsoluteRenegade [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:38 pm ]
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i want those rails with the built in rack oh my god oh my god. i designed that similar thing on some paper awhile back. just awesome. are u making those now? and can i send u my walet or blank check
Author:  EOD-KJ [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:57 pm ]
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marty i f-ing hate you sometimes

why do you keep coming out with things i want, money does not grow on trees you know

so.... 400 for super skinks..... then 300 for the roof rails.....grrr
Author:  callaway [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:46 pm ]
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can we start an order thread???


:lol:
Author:  Rock Lizard [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:54 pm ]
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callaway wrote:
can we start an order thread???


:lol:



1. callaway - "which one?"
2.


There you go. Copy and paste the list, fill in your name, put what you are wanting. For now we'll call them HD Rails, Sport Rack (low profile rack on USAFCOPs KJ), and Basket Rack. This will help with oranization and clear it up for me where to start. I'll send the specs to my tube guy to start working on the Basket Rack, so figure about 4 weeks before I get those parts to throw together, which I will do after catching up on these current orders. I have a small window coming up between getting everything caught up before the next batch of rear bumpers comes, so I will be finishing the front bumper design and hopefully throw that basket rack together for you guys to check out.
Author:  EOD-KJ [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:57 pm ]
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1. callaway - "which one?"
2. eoddc5 - i cant decide yet! (BUT i do want the super skinks did you get my PM?)
Author:  AndySRT [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:56 pm ]
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1. callaway - "which one?"
2. eoddc5 - i cant decide yet!
3.AndySRT - sport rack

how and when should we be ready to send the money?
Author:  2006KJSPORT4x4 [ Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:29 am ]
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This is a great LOVE-HATE relationship we have going here...I LOVE the gear, but HATE the fact it dries my wallet out...lol...man when that first BIG paycheck comes Marty will have some business from me...keep up the great work Marty!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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