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 Post subject: Air Flow Snorkel: My experiences **UPDATE**
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:31 pm 
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On Saturday, I installed my airflow snorkel. I do have some advice for anyone thinking of doing this or paying someone else to do it.

The US distributor offers a jig for a $75 deposit. It's the snorkel cross-sectioned so you know where the holes go. I highly recommend this investment (you'll get your money back when it's returned) because the outer template is off. I lined up the template with the edge off the fender, I cut the 3" hole and then I centered the jig over the 3" hole and screwed the jig to the fender. Now I had pilot holes to drill and I know they would line up with the snorkel.
The holes that were off the most (on the template) were the two nearest the antenna and the last one on the opposite side. All is well with the jig!

You'll need an airsaw to do the rest of the holes. You'll need to cut two more holes into two more layers of metal. The middle template is fine but my kit was missing the inner template so it was throw the dice time. :evil:

My airbox was different than the Australian one in the instructions. so the "blocking plate" was useless to me; I had to make my own. Also, the airbox pictured has smooth sides, mine is ribbed like a trojan but for no one's pleasure in this case. I had to cut the ribs off to attach the supplied air inlet.

Once the snorkel is attached to the fender, the fender will not go on as easily as it came off. A buddy's help comes in handy at this point.

My impression:
When I started up the engine, I noticed an immediate CEL :evil: . I was displeased. After verifying that I did not leave anything unplugged, I drove around for 15 mins and the CEL went away. Has not been back. I think that the snorkel is less restrictive than the stock intake and it makes much cooler sounds. I can hear the turbo spool up more than before so now I feel like F n F Tokyo Drift driving to work. The butt dyno says the engine runs much smoother now but it seems to have less off the line grunt. This could be my imagination which is what powers most butt dynos anyway. I topped off the tank and reset the ODO so I can calculate how the snorkel affects fuel economy. After I go through a tank I will try it with my Edge module in the #2 position to see how more fuel pressure works with the better airflow. I will report back.

My question:
I was thinking of putting a filter into the snorkel tube up by the hat. I was thinking of doing this mostly to keep large bits of debris from falling down the tube. Does anyone know of a cleanable filter that would fit into a 3" diameter pipe?

I hope this info helps someone and I appreciate anyone's input in my "pre-filter" idea.

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I just realized that I posted this in the wrong section. Sorry moderational dudes.

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Closeup Pics of the inlet?

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I could get a pic. Once the hat is removed, it's just a round tube. I believe it's 3" diameter, I measure it to be sure. I was thinking that I could put rivets into the tube to give the filter something to sit on.

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they make something kind of like this
PREFILTER DONALDSON 76mm I could mostly find companies overseas that carried then and mostly for land rovers
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I'm picturing a pre-filter wrap from a small cone filter over the opening. That would allow air in but no bugs, small birds, etc. (Don't forget the Amsoil Ea air filter in the air box too!!)

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Replacing the filter in the air box with an Amsoil is the plan. Just give me the details on how to order one.

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A guy in my Jeep club has one on his TJ snorkel and recommended it. He said he ordered it from Land Rover, but I don't see it on the list (or snorkels for that matter) of accessories available through Land Rover's website.

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hey JL did you get it from DPG Off-Road in Rose Hill, KS? how much did it cost you? if you dont mind me asking

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Yes I did. I don't remember the price. I am thinking it was $370 + $75 + $20 shipping.

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If you want a prefilter to keep bugs and what not from going down the tube, it a real cheap and easily replaceable solution. Get some cheap stockings/thigh highs/panty hose/whatever, take the inlet off, put the stocking over it, cut off excess, put inlet back on. Give that a shot. these work great for cold air cone filters as well, just spray them with some scotchguard and you have a water resistant prefilter.

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Rock Lizard wrote:
If you want a prefilter to keep bugs and what not from going down the tube, it a real cheap and easily replaceable solution. Get some cheap stockings/thigh highs/panty hose/whatever, take the inlet off, put the stocking over it, cut off excess, put inlet back on. Give that a shot. these work great for cold air cone filters as well, just spray them with some scotchguard and you have a water resistant prefilter.


Wife get ticked at ya for stealing her hose??!?! :shock:

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I thought about using speaker grill material in the same way Marty. I see that 4wheel parts sells these from ARB: http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lights-Lighting-Accessories/Safari-Snorkel.aspx?t_c=14&t_s=70&t_pt=5777&t_pl=491&t_pn=ARBPBH000237

Not sure how they look in real life, I am sure they work well. They just seem tupperwareish in appearance/

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You can actually buy a Pre-filter sock, specially designed for exactly that purpose. It's washable foam. I know "Fouros" and "Team JaG" have them on theirs.

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its a Uni-Filter pre filter

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OK, I tracked the MPG's since the snorkel install. After 1 week and half a tank it seemed to have zero impact on economy.

I did take her out to a place in NW Palm Beach County to try out the snorkel in real life. When I got home the airbox was clean and dry. Usually is full of dust that turns into concrete when mixed with the bits of water that came from driving around in the rain. It rained the entire way home 1 1/2 hrs. I am not sure why the snorkel did not suck in any rain but the stock intake would have been good for a tiny bit of water.

Here's a vid of my first test water hole. Ignore my stammering at the end.


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Be aware that just adding a snorkel does not mean you can go through deeper water,many,many,and many other things need to be done first to truely deep water forde.


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well I know the breathers need to be extended and I know there are some computer gizmos that are low in the vehicle. Some of the guys here in FL have put dielectric (spelling?) grease in all their electrical connections. It seems that changing the gear oils is standard practice but I have not heard anything else discussed.

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Hey I don't care if it works or not!
It looks awesome!!!!

Off-topic, how deep again can a stock (non-lifted, yeah I know, let me get my job next year ((Realator!!!))) KJ go without having to worry about any "leaking." B/c it is flooding here in Oklahoma, again, and gotta go through about 1-2 feet of water to get home!


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1 - 2 feet should be OK thats only 12-24 inches stock


keep your speed steady just watch the current

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Fouros wrote:
1 - 2 feet should be OK thats only 12-24 inches stock


keep your speed steady just watch the current


And slow. Be careful out there and good luck with all the storms.

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