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 Post subject: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:07 pm 
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The "Liberty Lift FAQ / please read before asking questions" has a boatload of images that just say 'image' anymore.

Since it's a FAQ, and we're supposed to reference it, can somebody with some juice on the board see if we can get some images found somewhere that will make the point again?

I'm looking to get an OME lift installed, and it's been a while since I used to do that stuff on my Power Wagons, so I'd like ALL the information I need to make correctly informed decisions about which parts I need to buy to do it right.
For example: Besides the fact that the CRD needs the heavy springs up front to compensate for the engine, I have a choice for the rears and don't know why I ought pick one over the other.

I also don't know whats going on yet with the recommendations on using electrical nuts for spacers Vs whatever else is supposed to be in there and why I'd want to use non-applicable parts like rubber mallets or hockey pucks in my suspension.

Since I haven't been able to find anyone (shop) down here in Roanoke that knows anything about these things, yet, it's looking like I'm going to be the one doing this in my garage, and once I take it apart - I'm stuck if I need something else not on my list.

Thanks for any info.

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'06 Liberty Limited CRD.
149K miles.
- Timing belt done.
- Weeks Kit Stage 1.
- Weeks Kit Stage 2.
- JBA 2.5 inch Silver kit and UCAs installed at 125K miles.
- Weeks supplied Samco Intercooler Hoses and clamps.

Waiting for time, limber fingers, and good weather to do my HDS Model 001 Thermostat unit swap.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:17 pm 
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crasher wrote:
The "Liberty Lift FAQ / please read before asking questions" has a boatload of images that just say 'image' anymore.

Since it's a FAQ, and we're supposed to reference it, can somebody with some juice on the board see if we can get some images found somewhere that will make the point again?

I'm looking to get an OME lift installed, and it's been a while since I used to do that stuff on my Power Wagons, so I'd like ALL the information I need to make correctly informed decisions about which parts I need to buy to do it right.
For example: Besides the fact that the CRD needs the heavy springs up front to compensate for the engine, I have a choice for the rears and don't know why I ought pick one over the other.

I also don't know whats going on yet with the recommendations on using electrical nuts for spacers Vs whatever else is supposed to be in there and why I'd want to use non-applicable parts like rubber mallets or hockey pucks in my suspension.

Since I haven't been able to find anyone (shop) down here in Roanoke that knows anything about these things, yet, it's looking like I'm going to be the one doing this in my garage, and once I take it apart - I'm stuck if I need something else not on my list.

Thanks for any info.



OK a few questions
How much lift are you going with?
Are you going with the JBA UCAs as well?

Here is what I have done on the 2) CRD installs that I did here
They are not any different than the gasser installs
OME 790s with OME shocks with JBA UCAs and a top plate, gave just a bit over 3 inches of lift in front
Rear was the OME 948 springs along with one extra upper isolator
Plus of course bumpstops ( we use hockey pucks here 2 per side in the rear ) Teraflex front bumpstops in front
Also pounded over the pinch welds and with 245-75-16s mounted they looked great

As far as the missing pictures sadly not much can be done about those since people leave, they don't keep their photo accounts up to date and everything is gone.
BEFORE on one of them
Image
AFTER with stock tires yet
Image

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 Post subject: Re: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:22 pm 
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I am running 790's on my crd in the front with a jba top plate and a 1/4" Clevis spacer. I went with jba's 2.5" springs in the rear and needed 1 extra iso to get it level with the ARB bumper and no winch.

Image

This pic was before the extra isos in the rear.

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 Post subject: Re: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:44 pm 
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Tom:
I sent you a PM a few weeks ago, I don't know if you ever got it, but I'm flipping between just trying to put it to above stock height with a 1.5" JBA spring replacement, (and trying to figure out which assembly tricks plus parts I need to make the tricks work), and going with the 2-1/2" lift Silver package you reviewed on the JBA site.
Part of my PM was to inquire whether you do installs like this anymore, as nobody in my (new to me) home area knows anything about these little tractors or what would be involved.

I don't expect much off-roading anymore, but I want to keep it capable on road with sane parts replacement for safety, and ride/load-carrying in mind. Tires would stay in the stock to slightly larger range of road tires for mileage with weather ( rain/snow) in mind. I'm not looking to do surgery to the body to fit stuff like the Gumbo Monster Mudders and TSLs I used to run on my old Power Wagons back in the day.

Regarding the 2-1/2" Silver package, I'm leaning that way for an engineered package that gives me a little lift for slightly larger tires, even though that would hurt my mileage somewhat, but I'm not really looking to chase the parts-swapping dragon of bigger/Bigger/BIGGER anymore. I'd be looking more towards a decent, safe and comfortable ride in the CRD on tires that fit the Jeep's new stance, and improved comfort and reliability. That was one big part of your review that has me looking hard at the Silver package. Yeah, I admit that I'd also like a little additional visual zing to the Jeep, and a little height would be nice from that point of view, which is another point in the Silver package column. I don't want a ride height that needs big tires and regearing to keep it from looking foolish, either, so I have to get that figured in, too.

I'm additionally looking for a package that goes together right the first time, doesn't require design/fabrication/cutting/welding on this end, and doesn't have to be fussed with all the time with constant adjustment and parts replacements. I don't want to have to worry about my inspector or insurance company asking me why I thought hockey pucks and rubber mallets grafted into the suspension would allow me to expect insurance coverage in the case of a claim needing to be made, either.

Mass: I like the looks and function of the front bumper, but I'm not ever going to put a winch on 'er, so the CRD weight is all I have to build it for.
I don't have a roof rack either, and I tend to drive empty of gear unless I'm actually hauling stuff to or from home, so no camping/off-road-clubs/etc in my future.

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'06 Liberty Limited CRD.
149K miles.
- Timing belt done.
- Weeks Kit Stage 1.
- Weeks Kit Stage 2.
- JBA 2.5 inch Silver kit and UCAs installed at 125K miles.
- Weeks supplied Samco Intercooler Hoses and clamps.

Waiting for time, limber fingers, and good weather to do my HDS Model 001 Thermostat unit swap.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:55 am 
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Its really hard to say anything negative at all about the JBA coilovers so won't even try. LOL
With them you could still run the stock a-arms up front as well if you wanted although you can get them in the kit.
For the CRD it would give you everything you are looking for in a DD and all around fun Jeep to drive
With the CRD as well I think you could go with the 255-70-16s as well for a little larger tire, or even the 265-70-16s that I'm running on the 03 now.
Its realy a lot better way to go than even the OME lift ( while good there is really no comparison. )
Had a friend stop at my place with his OME lifted KJ, he loved it, but after going about 10 miles in mine with the coilovers, a week later he ordered his a set! LOL
Image
looks low in the rear in this picture but sits flat level
( 03 with JBA 2.5 inch Total Control lift )

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03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get some of the images put back into the lift FAQ
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:19 am 
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crasher wrote:
Tom:
I sent you a PM a few weeks ago, I don't know if you ever got it, but I'm flipping between just trying to put it to above stock height with a 1.5" JBA spring replacement, (and trying to figure out which assembly tricks plus parts I need to make the tricks work), and going with the 2-1/2" lift Silver package you reviewed on the JBA site.
Part of my PM was to inquire whether you do installs like this anymore, as nobody in my (new to me) home area knows anything about these little tractors or what would be involved.

I don't expect much off-roading anymore, but I want to keep it capable on road with sane parts replacement for safety, and ride/load-carrying in mind. Tires would stay in the stock to slightly larger range of road tires for mileage with weather ( rain/snow) in mind. I'm not looking to do surgery to the body to fit stuff like the Gumbo Monster Mudders and TSLs I used to run on my old Power Wagons back in the day.

Regarding the 2-1/2" Silver package, I'm leaning that way for an engineered package that gives me a little lift for slightly larger tires, even though that would hurt my mileage somewhat, but I'm not really looking to chase the parts-swapping dragon of bigger/Bigger/BIGGER anymore. I'd be looking more towards a decent, safe and comfortable ride in the CRD on tires that fit the Jeep's new stance, and improved comfort and reliability. That was one big part of your review that has me looking hard at the Silver package. Yeah, I admit that I'd also like a little additional visual zing to the Jeep, and a little height would be nice from that point of view, which is another point in the Silver package column. I don't want a ride height that needs big tires and regearing to keep it from looking foolish, either, so I have to get that figured in, too.

I'm additionally looking for a package that goes together right the first time, doesn't require design/fabrication/cutting/welding on this end, and doesn't have to be fussed with all the time with constant adjustment and parts replacements. I don't want to have to worry about my inspector or insurance company asking me why I thought hockey pucks and rubber mallets grafted into the suspension would allow me to expect insurance coverage in the case of a claim needing to be made, either.

Mass: I like the looks and function of the front bumper, but I'm not ever going to put a winch on 'er, so the CRD weight is all I have to build it for.
I don't have a roof rack either, and I tend to drive empty of gear unless I'm actually hauling stuff to or from home, so no camping/off-road-clubs/etc in my future.


Yeah I got the ARB after my wife hit a dear and tore apart the front end. I figured I might as well get it and use some of the insurance toward it instead of an OEM bumper.

That said, its really not that heavy without a winch. I can easily lift it off the front of the Jeep myself. Based on my experience I would say go with the OME 790's anyways if you decide to go that route. The ride is a bit stiffer than stock but its much more controlled and, I would argue, safe. My jeep handles much better with all this lift and 265/70-16 duratracs than it ever did on the stock suspension/stock tires.

I also debated about the JBA Coils. I was not ready to drop that much on my jeep yet, but when the OME's start to wear out I still may buy the coils and rear shocks as replacements.

go with what Tommudd says, he knows. I just wanted to show another configuration for comparison.

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