DPF Regen problems with EMS vehicals

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:25 pm

flman wrote:

dieseldoesit wrote:

flman wrote:

I hope you have all your CRD emission controls intact, being your are an advocate for emission controls. How many times have you changed the EGR?

Apparently the question wasn't clear enough? It wasn't rhetorical..

It was to me, your an advocate, and advocates hate pollution (even the harmless stuff). So is the EGR, CAT, Muffler and other emission devices in compliance? Or are you a hypocrite? Just a simple question. :roll:

It still isn't. Anyways, try again..

flman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:31 pm

flman wrote:

So is the EGR, CAT, Muffler and other emission devices in compliance? Or are you a hypocrite? Just a simple question. :roll:

And the answer is?

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:42 pm

flman wrote:

So is the EGR, CAT, Muffler and other emission devices in compliance? Or are you a hypocrite? Just a simple question. :roll:

And the answer is?

yawn.... yep, my jeep is stock, well except for Nokian tires and an Alpine radio..

Riding a motorcycle I can tell a difference in exhaust smells between vehicles. I think I can tell when a car doesn't have a cat anymore, and there is a big difference between the newer and older diesel trucks.

I find you black and white attitude interesting. Is it possible for people to like environmental regulations that make the air cleaner but still like to go off-road and have fun? From your point of view, it doesn't seem so.

I still find it hilarious that your whole point in all of this is "it's the governments fault"... "everything is the governments fault"

Do you live out in the country?

onthehunt · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:35 am

Quote:

Personally, I feel the role of government is to defend it's people and look after their welfare...which can be defined in many ways, but by this I mean well-being.

The scariest thing ever posted on this website...

The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions"

onthehunt · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:42 am

I feel I should post that I do live outside a big city(the country) and we still believe in right and wrong(black and white).

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:43 pm

onthehunt wrote:

I feel I should post that I do live outside a big city(the country) and we still believe in right and wrong(black and white).

Some can not grasp the concept of responsible freedom and feel that Government needs to Micromanage every aspect of out lives. They site of how things were years ago before we know what we know now, for their justification for regulations and Big Government Micromanagement. In truth, the Big Government Micromanagement is a way for incompetent elected and unelected officials to have a power grab and feel like big shots. Since the task of Micromanaging all aspects of everyone's life is a task that is beyond any Government's capabilities, the Government turns into a bunch of bumbling fools like what we see with both the EPA and CARB. Define and adjust the task of any Government agency to a reasonable level so the vast majority individuals and companies who willingly self regulate them selves and are almost always in compliance or exceeding requirements, the task of the agency becomes reasonable and manageable. Most local and state Law Enforcement agencies operate in this mode most of the time and the failures happen (like stupid criminals) but are not run amok with over enforcement. OSHA almost always acts reasonable and companies have safety programs that exceed the OSHA standards of Safety.
When EPA and CARB pull their heads out of their butts, fire or prosecute the power hungry unreasonable jerks who are using Junk Science and the End Justifies the Means motives to grab more power, we will still have clean air and water. Individuals and companies will willingly comply with reasonable limits with out looking over their shoulder and worry about committing a violation.
In most of the Modern Cultures with few exceptions people practice responsible behavior (98+%) and very few do not. Those who do not accept this are basically Fascists or fools who are dupes for the power hungry who do not have the mental resources to be leaders with out being tyrants.

flman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:57 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

onthehunt wrote:

I feel I should post that I do live outside a big city(the country) and we still believe in right and wrong(black and white).

Some can not grasp the concept of responsible freedom and feel that Government needs to Micromanage every aspect of out lives. They site of how things were years ago before we know what we know now, for their justification for regulations and Big Government Micromanagement. In truth, the Big Government Micromanagement is a way for incompetent elected and unelected officials to have a power grab and feel like big shots. Since the task of Micromanaging all aspects of everyone's life is a task that is beyond any Government's capabilities, the Government turns into a bunch of bumbling fools like what we see with both the EPA and CARB. Define and adjust the task of any Government agency to a reasonable level so the vast majority individuals and companies who willingly self regulate them selves and are almost always in compliance or exceeding requirements, the task of the agency becomes reasonable and manageable. Most local and state Law Enforcement agencies operate in this mode most of the time and the failures happen (like stupid criminals) but are not run amok with over enforcement. OSHA almost always acts reasonable and companies have safety programs that exceed the OSHA standards of Safety.
When EPA and CARB pull their heads out of their butts, fire or prosecute the power hungry unreasonable jerks who are using Junk Science and the End Justifies the Means motives to grab more power, we will still have clean air and water. Individuals and companies will willingly comply with reasonable limits with out looking over their shoulder and worry about committing a violation.
In most of the Modern Cultures with few exceptions people practice responsible behavior (98+%) and very few do not. Those who do not accept this are basically Fascists or fools who are dupes for the power hungry who do not have the mental resources to be leaders with out being tyrants.

Good write up Warp, I can agree, but you might as well tell it to the wall, most of the people disputing us have already drank the ism, and are deeply indoctrinated. They will learn the hard way, and take us along with them.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:47 pm

flman wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

onthehunt wrote:

I feel I should post that I do live outside a big city(the country) and we still believe in right and wrong(black and white).

Some can not grasp the concept of responsible freedom and feel that Government needs to Micromanage every aspect of out lives. They site of how things were years ago before we know what we know now, for their justification for regulations and Big Government Micromanagement. In truth, the Big Government Micromanagement is a way for incompetent elected and unelected officials to have a power grab and feel like big shots. Since the task of Micromanaging all aspects of everyone's life is a task that is beyond any Government's capabilities, the Government turns into a bunch of bumbling fools like what we see with both the EPA and CARB. Define and adjust the task of any Government agency to a reasonable level so the vast majority individuals and companies who willingly self regulate them selves and are almost always in compliance or exceeding requirements, the task of the agency becomes reasonable and manageable. Most local and state Law Enforcement agencies operate in this mode most of the time and the failures happen (like stupid criminals) but are not run amok with over enforcement. OSHA almost always acts reasonable and companies have safety programs that exceed the OSHA standards of Safety.
When EPA and CARB pull their heads out of their butts, fire or prosecute the power hungry unreasonable jerks who are using Junk Science and the End Justifies the Means motives to grab more power, we will still have clean air and water. Individuals and companies will willingly comply with reasonable limits with out looking over their shoulder and worry about committing a violation.
In most of the Modern Cultures with few exceptions people practice responsible behavior (98+%) and very few do not. Those who do not accept this are basically Fascists or fools who are dupes for the power hungry who do not have the mental resources to be leaders with out being tyrants.

Good write up Warp, I can agree, but you might as well tell it to the wall, most of the people disputing us have already drank the ism, and are deeply indoctrinated. They will learn the hard way, and take us along with them.

I wanted to find a polite way to expose them for who they are. That way only a very few will get drawn into their trap. When my son was young I taught him how to spot a Pedophile so he would not be a victim. As he got older I trained him how to spot other traps. I hope some LOST members get a keen eye to spot what is behind a radical Enviro agenda. If LOST members follow the general rule of 98+% of us doing what is right for our environment on Auto Pilot, things will turn out right.

dkenny · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:35 pm

Wait a minute!!!

did I get lost..did flman say a few pages back that he's a Liberal?? Hey if I wrong..oops..

but he's agreeing with Warp's last statement..sound like flman doesn't like big government??
Personally I would much less of the micromanage gov't...ie smaller gov't, less taxes...
some rules make sense..recycle. to me this just makes sense..and yes everything possible. We only have one Earth to live on.. I really hate walking into the deep woods and finding...TRASH!!. not saying any here would litter in the woods..but it bigs me..do people that litter in the woods do this in their yards?

Enough soap boxing...

-dkenny

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:03 pm

dkenny wrote:

Wait a minute!!!

did I get lost..did flman say a few pages back that he's a Liberal?? Hey if I wrong..oops..

but he's agreeing with Warp's last statement..sound like flman doesn't like big government??
Personally I would much less of the micromanage gov't...ie smaller gov't, less taxes...
some rules make sense..recycle. to me this just makes sense..and yes everything possible. We only have one Earth to live on.. I really hate walking into the deep woods and finding...TRASH!!. not saying any here would litter in the woods..but it bigs me..do people that litter in the woods do this in their yards?

Enough soap boxing...

-dkenny

I do my best not to litter and feel those who do should pay dearly for it.
I recycle as much as I can, but I am waiting for a way to recycle used cat litter, but have not figured out yet.
I detest putting treated Waste Water Sludge into land fills when as long as it is not contaminated by toxic compounds, can be land applied or mulched.
I hop up the performance of the Water Purification Equipment I work with so it exceeds environmental performance requirements just like I mod my CRD.
When I hear the tripe coming out of the mouths and read the tripe coming out of their keyboards, I have to be very diplomatic and control what I say or write.
Like the bell shaped curve their are less than 1% on each end that should be taken out of power so they can not do damage. Those in CARB who have committed the transgression of falsifying and exaggerating data are on the very far left fringe and those who committed what most of us consider criminal acts need to be prosecuted. Once this takes place, CARB may return to being a Reasonable State Government Agency that runs at least as well as the DMV. Those in the Taliban are on the very far right and our Military along with our allies are doing their best to solve the problem. When the Taliban gets back into an acceptable non tyrannical and closer to mainstream mode of operation, the war will be over, that is how wars are won. Both extremes lack the leadership skills to lead with out being tyrants.

flman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:17 pm

dkenny wrote:

Wait a minute!!!

did I get lost..did flman say a few pages back that he's a Liberal?? Hey if I wrong..oops..

-dkenny

Whoa! Where did I get that title? Far from it, I never voted for a liberal in my life, I would think I would be on the side of Captain Planet and the Planeteers if that were my viewpoint. You must be thinking of some one else? I am "Libertarian", not a "liberal".

www.LP.org take the test

flman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:55 pm

Getting back on topic, here is something I found on the Freightliner web site

https://secure.freightliner.com/accessf ... dregen.pdf

1. The engine needs to be warm (approximately 180F). It is best to do this
immediately after stopping.
2. With the truck running, set the park brake, put the transmission in neutral
and depress and release the clutch pedal.
3. Verify no other codes in the system (i.e. no check engine light)
4. Depress the switch for 4 seconds. The rpm will increase to about 1500.
Please note that a Parked Regeneration will stop if the key is turned to the off
position, the truck is put into gear or the parking brake is released.
5. Engine will bring up the temperatures and will then initiate
regenerating the filter.
6. Approximately 20-40 minutes later the engine will
complete the regeneration and the engine will return to
600rpm.
7. The hot exhaust temperature indicator lamp (shown
below) may remain on. This is an information lamp. No
driver action is required and the truck may be driven.

Hmm, that is very green, high idling an engine for 40 minutes and going no where? :roll:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:09 pm

flman wrote:

Getting back on topic, here is something I found on the Freightliner web site

https://secure.freightliner.com/accessf ... dregen.pdf

1. The engine needs to be warm (approximately 180F). It is best to do this
immediately after stopping.
2. With the truck running, set the park brake, put the transmission in neutral
and depress and release the clutch pedal.
3. Verify no other codes in the system (i.e. no check engine light)
4. Depress the switch for 4 seconds. The rpm will increase to about 1500.
Please note that a Parked Regeneration will stop if the key is turned to the off
position, the truck is put into gear or the parking brake is released.
5. Engine will bring up the temperatures and will then initiate
regenerating the filter.
6. Approximately 20-40 minutes later the engine will
complete the regeneration and the engine will return to
600rpm.
7. The hot exhaust temperature indicator lamp (shown
below) may remain on. This is an information lamp. No
driver action is required and the truck may be driven.

Hmm, that is very green, high idling an engine for 40 minutes and going no where? :roll:

A few years ago when I was passing through the Adirondacks I saw warning signs in the rest area prohibiting engine idling with the threat of a fine. Would be shame to have an EMS or other heavy duty vehicle get written up for doing a Regen in the rest area parking lot.

flman · **Posted:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:40 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

A few years ago when I was passing through the Adirondacks I saw warning signs in the rest area prohibiting engine idling with the threat of a fine. Would be shame to have an EMS or other heavy duty vehicle get written up for doing a Regen in the rest area parking lot.

Exactly why these laws are so ridiculous, one dept is saying it is illegal to idle more then 5 minutes. Another dept is saying you should be green and save fuel. And then you have another dept saying, diesels can not emit particulates, but it is OK to high idle it for 40 minutes, all the while breaking the 5 minute idle law, being ungreen and wasting fuel, and filling the air with CO2 for no purpose. :banghead:

Government has grown so big the depts. are at odds with each others own laws, and we have to pay for all this idiocracy. :furious:

onthehunt · **Posted:** Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:53 pm

The emission laws make no sense sometimes. It's like a dog chasing his tail. They lower the emissions by trapping it and then burn fuel to consume it. It's all quite funny and sad to me. It's not a small amount of fuel either. My printouts at work show our ISX's using between 125-175 gallons of fuel used in aftertreatment every 20,000 miles.

flman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:54 pm

I noticed the first regen in my Sprinter today, was on the highway for about 15 minutes, pull into a supply house, shut it down and I hear hot metal going tink, tink, tink. It also smelled like a foundry from the burning of the DPF. I wonder how much fuel it cost me for that silliness, never mind the fact I had to pay for the DPF system when I purchased the van. Well at least I don't have to stop for a regen. Some one needs to figure out how to disable all of this crap on Sprinters, the EGR, the DPF, and the DEF injection. What is next? The exhaust system is going to have to be put in a serpentine arrangement to fit it all under future vehicles if they add anything else.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:52 pm

How stupid a DPF is perspective:
I upgraded my fuel filter to 2 micron Racor from the stock that is ~10 micron - ~3 micron.
The CARB/EPA idiots want to have a 2.5 micron DPF on diesel exhaust. :banghead:

Last time I checked, our air filters (even the best) don't filter that well.

FYI: 1 micron = 1 micro-meter

Are they going to put DPFs on Cats and Dogs next????

What about all the dust from our skin that comes off?????

I can see it now, a DPF wrapped around a woman in a Bikini :ROTFL:

flman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:57 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

The CARB/EPA idiots want to have a 2.5 micron DPF on diesel exhaust. :banghead:

Last time I checked, our air filters (even the best) don't filter that well.

I guess they want to be sure the finest of particles can get past the DPF so that we can breath them in, more idiocracy.

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