Actually they could. I'm friends with the parts/service manager at the local Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler dealer. If it ever went in for a software update, the "tune" if you will isn't stored inhouse any more. There's a central server they use. The system validates the VIN and data located in the ECM with what is on record prior to sending the update. It's a pretty neat system actually. Dave showed me how it all works while we reflashed my Dodge.

That said, if they only used the DRB III Scan Tool to read codes, they wouldn't see it. However they might note something is up if the number of cycles are low stored in the ECM.

I've explained my reasoning behind wanting a stock ECM as backup. If it costs me more to simply sit on a shelf, so be it. At least I'd be able to sleep more soundly at night knowing it's there. (Me being a sys admin might have a bit to do with all of this too )

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Mine - 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 CTD with a lot of stuff
Mine - 1987 Suzuki Samurai SPOA lift 1.6VW Turbo Diesel Dual transfer cases 33" super swampers 9K winch
Hers - 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.5" glasspack, EVIC display, Transgo Shift Kit, PML pan, ASP torque converter, BD X-monitor.

Yes, we like diesels.

Dealerships have been able to read custom tunes for awhile now. They are not stupid.

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I asked GDE about this when I bought their tune - i.e., what if I have to take it to the dealer for something and they reflash my ECU? They will reflash it back to their tune for free, just pay shipping.

So far, those guys have had impeccable customer service that I have seen. They chime in on the board pretty regularly when members bring up issues, and they have a forum on their website. If I read your desires correctly, the GDE would be the way to go, even if you want another ECU for peace of mind. As a customer, I have not been disappointed. I am looking forward to them releasing their turbo kit as well. It's more expensive than Inmotion, but as I understand it Inmotion basically just installs the Euro tune on your ECU. Customers have still had issues with torque converter shudder and whatnot with Inmotion, while GDE sets their tune to only deliver max torque at WOT. Check them out.

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In this war of lines, so many have been crossed. Where will it all stop?

2006 Deep Beryl Green CRD Sport *SOLD 1/22/12*
Provent, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Samcos, GDE ECO & TCM Tune, Euro JK TC, Magnaflow Catback
245/70/16 Destination A/T's
Boiler's Radiator Skid Plate
Jeepin' By Al 2.5 inch Adjust-A-Strut Lift, JBA Gen 4.5 UCA's (6/5/10)

patracy, on late model cummins, powerchoke and duratrash diesels, the ecm's keep track of regen cycles of the dpf. Retards go crazy with aftermarket tunes and break stuff, without upgrading hardware to support it, then put stock software on the ecm, and cry to the dealerships. They can see the unreasonably low number of regen cycles for abnormally high mileage. 1+1 = 2.

None of this has anything to do with our crd's. We dont have DPF's and our ecm does not record anything.

If you break stuff because of over power, and you go to the dealership for warranty work, your a thief.

in motion does not disable egr, and does not disable the cel. They claimed years ago that their custom tuning could, I don't believe them. I have a IM II long before gde or kerma had anything, and i like it just fine, it'll knock my teeth out, but it's not refined at all. I've had ridiculous shudder since i got the IMII, 40k miles later i have no problems. I have a plate over the egr and i removed the fcv butterfly, and i drive around with a p0401 24/7.

I'm no longer going to load a tune. I'm just going with a SEGR and a module power adder later on. Every one of the "tuners" seem to shady to deal with. They all want to trash talk each other, and no one gives truthful answers.

I just want the EGR "fixed" mainly for now.

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Mine - 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 CTD with a lot of stuff
Mine - 1987 Suzuki Samurai SPOA lift 1.6VW Turbo Diesel Dual transfer cases 33" super swampers 9K winch
Hers - 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.5" glasspack, EVIC display, Transgo Shift Kit, PML pan, ASP torque converter, BD X-monitor.

Yes, we like diesels.

I'm disappointed to hear that you felt GDE treated you shadily. (is that even a word?) The only thing I know them to be shady about is their origin, for good reasons. Send danoid a PM to find out where these guys come from. It may increase your confidence that they know what they are doing if you knew where they came from. Also, as I understand it, they are still technically "part-time" as GDE, so maybe the best answers from them could be found on the forum on their website. http://www.greendieselengineering.com/f ... /list.page

When they were new, I had a lot of questions for them both before and after I got their tune. I asked them if I could post their answers here, which I did, but they did not want me to include anything they said about another tuner company. They did not want to disparage another tuner.

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In this war of lines, so many have been crossed. Where will it all stop?

2006 Deep Beryl Green CRD Sport *SOLD 1/22/12*
Provent, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Samcos, GDE ECO & TCM Tune, Euro JK TC, Magnaflow Catback
245/70/16 Destination A/T's
Boiler's Radiator Skid Plate
Jeepin' By Al 2.5 inch Adjust-A-Strut Lift, JBA Gen 4.5 UCA's (6/5/10)

GDE doesn't turn off the EGR, instead they just turn it's run frequency down to almost none.

There's another reason I've decided to not go with any tuning right now. If the EPA feels the need to subpoena them for the VIN's they flashed. Guess who comes a knocking to your front door telling you to "fix" it or pay the fine and have it fixed....

Given my past experience with flashing ECM's (Superchips sucks BTW!) I really didn't like the thoughts of this given the answers (or the lack that of) I was getting.

For now it's going to be SEGR and I just bought a power puck extreme from a member here. If time allows this winter, I might buy one of the handheld programmers or laptop interfaces and experiment a little on my own. I'd love to find someone nearby with a non F37'ed vehicle to see if the interface can talk to the TCM and save a copy.

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Mine - 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 CTD with a lot of stuff
Mine - 1987 Suzuki Samurai SPOA lift 1.6VW Turbo Diesel Dual transfer cases 33" super swampers 9K winch
Hers - 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.5" glasspack, EVIC display, Transgo Shift Kit, PML pan, ASP torque converter, BD X-monitor.

Yes, we like diesels.

Replied in your quote in bold.



The CEL is part of the issue. The better half can't stand to see it on her "new" car. I don't blame her. Her old honda had a CEL on all the time as well. So that's why I'm trying to "fix" this once and for all. That's where the SEGR will handle the matter. I'll be plating my EGR too once it's SEGR'ed.

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Mine - 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 CTD with a lot of stuff
Mine - 1987 Suzuki Samurai SPOA lift 1.6VW Turbo Diesel Dual transfer cases 33" super swampers 9K winch
Hers - 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.5" glasspack, EVIC display, Transgo Shift Kit, PML pan, ASP torque converter, BD X-monitor.

Yes, we like diesels.

The scenario which you described seems extremely far-fetched. By this reasoning, you had better stay away from the SEGR as well, especially since it's manufacturer is unlikely to have as much legal protection as GDE. Remember, if you order a SEGR, there will be a record of your address, credit card number, email, etc...

I think that it's pretty well documented that GDE does indeed turn off the EGR cycle completely, except for use as a blow off valve, which is beneficial to the engine. Check out their forum.

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Manure green 2005 CRD sport4x4, GDE Hot tune, Cat Gut, OE skids, Draw tight hitch, Duramax lift pump, 160K on multiple varieties of fuel, XM radio, Escort live with Redline, fog light mod, GPS, Icom IC7000 all band radio call sign KC9QPF, Grabber AT2s on Soft 8s, FIA grill blanket.

Far fetched? Might want to make a visit over to cumminsforum.com and read up on the DPF delete kits and what has happened to them. There's been a few people to get "popped". As of late, all law enforcement has been trying to increase their revenues due to the economy. I'm not saying that to state an argument. But it'd be simple to go after a vendor and get their records and also tie the vehicle owner in. Just look at the music and video industry with file sharing for an example of it in action.

The information on how to build a SEGR is out there on the web, so one can build it without a record as well.

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Mine - 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 CTD with a lot of stuff
Mine - 1987 Suzuki Samurai SPOA lift 1.6VW Turbo Diesel Dual transfer cases 33" super swampers 9K winch
Hers - 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD 2.5" glasspack, EVIC display, Transgo Shift Kit, PML pan, ASP torque converter, BD X-monitor.

Yes, we like diesels.