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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:09 pm 
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Having blown my :grim: hose and artificially blown my hose a second time when I didn 't tighten down the hose clamp holding it onto the intercooler :banghead: I can attest the power loss. If you didn't try to do 60 mph or go 0-60 in under 2 minutes you should be OK. Like everyone else has said, swap the hoses first. I, for one, will not pick a choice worth over 10% the value of the vehicle versus one that will likely work for less 1%. Its a free world, but I like to give money freely to my charity and church of choice, not my mechanic.

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:58 pm 
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X100 on what everyone else has already said. If your mechanic told you that the seal is blown, he does not understand diesel turbos. We don't have an oil "seal" such as you would find in a gasser. Our turbos use an "oil slinger" type seal which works centrifugally. As long as the turbo is spinning, it doesn't leak.

Just trust what all the experts here are telling you, otherwise why did you ask for help? You do NOT need the turbo to be replaced at this point. The oil in the intake is coming from the CCV valve and is normal in all CRDs. There is always some oil pooling in the intercooler, but it is self limiting. If there were too much oil in the intake it would suck a big glug through and give you a huge black cloud of smoke. If you still have doubts about the turbo, just replace the hoses and wait to see if the turbo craps out. If it's bad you would still have to replace it anyway. If it isn't, you've just saved $1600 thanks to all the guys here who have gone through exactly what you are experiencing right now.

PS. The new OEM hoses have been redesigned to be oil proof and should not split again.


So if his seal were busted.......if he were to remove the downpipe after shut down he would see some oil seaping from the exhaust side...correct? I have seen plenty of seals bust on gasser turbos due to foolish things like too much pressure, dry starts...whatever, never on a diesel....

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:51 am 
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If you end up having to replace the turbo, don't buy a "remanufactured" one. These turbos have incredibly tight tolerances, and are not meant to be taken apart and rebuilt. See if you can budget $2500 for Green Diesel Engineering's turbo kit. If you are replacing, well, you might as well upgrade, right? It would be only 25% more than what you would spend on a stock replacement. Just my :2cents:


Final quote I got was $1344 for a brand new turbo from Chrysler including labor. Took a quick look into the green diesel turbos and they sound great, but too costly for me right now, and I would definitely need to replace the torque converter at the very least.

Replacing the hoses too for cost, about $200, I know I can get the silicon ones for another ~50, but this makes things easier.

Both hoses were shot to hell. Hot side had almost completely rotted through, and the cold side had the 2" gash.

Also have had the Fumoto Oil Drain valve since the first oil change. That is worth its weight in gold. I'm not leaking oil from anywhere else, drive way has remained clean up until now, and I have never had to add oil to her at anypoint. Running Amsoil oil, and my last oil analysis came back only slightly dirty, but everything else was fine.

What I find funny is that no one can imagine the turbo actually going bad? Yeah, ~73k is pretty young for this, but doo doo happens, and I have never let the turbo cool down before shutting off. Maybe I did it? Maybe it was a defect? I lost count of the number of times I've had to bring it back to the dealer/mechanic. An even dozen back in 2006. Only difference is that now its not under warranty.

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I had a mechanic take a look at my motor mounts at one point and he told me my turbo was failing. His claim was based some oil coating the turbo. Oil was leaking from the intake hose down the side of the turbo. I cleaned it up, added my condenser/filter, and tightened the clamp on the inlet. It's been about 25K with no issues. I have a post somewhere with some pics...can't locate it at the moment.

I suggest you try some new hoses first. The turbo is kind of expensive to replace if you don't need to.

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:33 am 
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I find it hard to believe the CAC hose blew at the exact moment the turbo shelled. That split CAC hose would have made you stand up and take notice all by itself. :roll:

:ROTFL:

And, if you don't trust me, listen to GDE... they really, seriously know these engines. On the low oil level, did you accidentally strip the oil plug? It is incredibly easy to do so... and that could lead to the oil on the ground that you've seen, as well.

Like I said, you will currently be replacing the CAC hoses and turbo, anyways. Why not humor all us experts and "experts" and just trying replacing the hoses first... It won't cost you one dime more in the long run, and may save you $1500 in the process. :2cents:




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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:23 am 
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I find it hard to believe the CAC hose blew at the exact moment the turbo shelled. That split CAC hose would have made you stand up and take notice all by itself. :roll:

:ROTFL:

And, if you don't trust me, listen to GDE... they really, seriously know these engines. On the low oil level, did you accidentally strip the oil plug? It is incredibly easy to do so... and that could lead to the oil on the ground that you've seen, as well.

Like I said, you will currently be replacing the CAC hoses and turbo, anyways. Why not humor all us experts and "experts" and just trying replacing the hoses first... It won't cost you one dime more in the long run, and may save you $1500 in the process. :2cents:




WTF are you babbling about?


I was laughing at what you said and then talking to the OP... sorry, that wasn't very clear :)

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:44 am 
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linewarbr wrote:
If you end up having to replace the turbo, don't buy a "remanufactured" one. These turbos have incredibly tight tolerances, and are not meant to be taken apart and rebuilt. See if you can budget $2500 for Green Diesel Engineering's turbo kit. If you are replacing, well, you might as well upgrade, right? It would be only 25% more than what you would spend on a stock replacement. Just my :2cents:


Final quote I got was $1344 for a brand new turbo from Chrysler including labor. Took a quick look into the green diesel turbos and they sound great, but too costly for me right now, and I would definitely need to replace the torque converter at the very least.

Replacing the hoses too for cost, about $200, I know I can get the silicon ones for another ~50, but this makes things easier.

Both hoses were shot to hell. Hot side had almost completely rotted through, and the cold side had the 2" gash.

Also have had the Fumoto Oil Drain valve since the first oil change. That is worth its weight in gold. I'm not leaking oil from anywhere else, drive way has remained clean up until now, and I have never had to add oil to her at anypoint. Running Amsoil oil, and my last oil analysis came back only slightly dirty, but everything else was fine.

What I find funny is that no one can imagine the turbo actually going bad? Yeah, ~73k is pretty young for this, but doo doo happens, and I have never let the turbo cool down before shutting off. Maybe I did it? Maybe it was a defect? I lost count of the number of times I've had to bring it back to the dealer/mechanic. An even dozen back in 2006. Only difference is that now its not under warranty.

It is what it is.

It's not that we don't think your Turbo could have blown, it's that we don't think your symptoms indicate that your Turbo has actually blown. Your situation is very familiar to the members of this board - a number of other people have had the exact same problems, the exact same diagnosis, and found that spending $200 on hoses was all that was required. Your spending that anyways, you don't have to throw $1,500 out the window just yet!

As Chester, geordi and others have already attested, this forum has more knowledge of CRDs than your gasser mechanic or nearly any mechanic at a dealership. We work on these engines regularly; many of us own other diesels. The people who are telling you to replace your turbo have such little experience with CRDs (literally, no joke, many have only watched a 30 minute video - back in 2005) its as if I were offering you $1,500 financial advice, because I took economics in high school, when you could get the same advice from someone who works in finance for next to nothing. Who would you go to? In the year that I have been here, I have personally seen dozens of people come through here with all sorts of issues with their CRDs and they have saved, collectively, thousands and thousands of dollars because of the advice of the more knowledgeable folks on this forum. MANY of the "problems" that people have had with the CRD have been solvable for little or no money; not the hundreds or even thousands of dollars that an absolutely clueless dealership is going to charge you for repairing something based on their best guess.

If both your hoses have ruptured, oil all over the turbo is far from surprising...

:banghead: I've put forth my case to save you $1,500; It's not my money... I'm done helping.

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:30 am 
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As a native NewYorker, I know where he is at in Jersey: Someplace that smells like New Jersey. :goink: :goink: :goink: :goink:

Come on man - Save yourself the bucks, at least for a couple days. Do the hoses (I blew one of mine, so this is VERY familiar) before you do anything with that turbo.

Another point to consider: I have also actually blown my turbo. The members here are well aware of this, as I documented the whole thing as it progressed and I tried to repair things. The first indication that I had a problem - A MASSIVE "Batmobile" smoke screen out the back, as the turbo was DUMPING oil into my exhaust. Why? The turbo center shaft had snapped.

Pull off the outlet hose to your intake and stick your fingers into the hole in the turbo (WITH THE ENGINE OFF!!!!!!!!!!) And see if you can rotate the compressor wheel smoothly. It will rotate I'm certain, which means your turbo IS NOT BLOWN OR DYING.

These do not allow oil leaks to last long. Think less than 3 miles, then the turbo shaft will snap from lack of lubrication. Be smart man, try some of the free advice from here - Replace the hoses first and drive it around the block a few times. You will be surprised, and save a metric crap-ton of money.

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
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A learned person, GMCTD who used to post here very often once wrote that unlike gasoline engines, turbo's on diesels do not have seals because they are under pressure on both side of the turbo. Whereas a gasoline turbo can have a vacuum on one side and that would suck oil.

But if you have money to burn go ahead and replace hoses and the turbo and it will run fine. Possibly just as good as it would with just the hoses :-)r

You came here for help and you got it and now your arguing but you are from NJ :juggle:

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Joe Romas wrote:
A learned person, GMCTD who used to post here very often once wrote that unlike gasoline engines, turbo's on diesels do not have seals because they are under pressure on both side of the turbo. Whereas a gasoline turbo can have a vacuum on one side and that would suck oil.

But if you have money to burn go ahead and replace hoses and the turbo and it will run fine. Possibly just as good as it would with just the hoses :-)r

You came here for help and you got it and now your arguing but you are from NJ :juggle:




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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
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If the turbo was "blown" wouldn't you have a huge loss of power and if the bearings were bad it would squeal so bad you couldn't stand to drive it. I lost the oil in my engine about 30k ago and within 15 seconds that turbo was squealing so bad it was unbelievable. I shut it down had my wife bring me the stock drain plug and some 5w40 oil excuse me Mobil 1 oil filled her up drove home and got a slightly used turbo from GDE and it runs perfect now. But I will never forget that squealing sound from the bad turbo horrible. Enough said.


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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
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What I find funny is that no one can imagine the turbo actually going bad?


And what I find funny is that your not willing to spend $200 first, that you will have to spend anyway, and then see if you need to spend the $1300 on a new turbo.

See, IF the turbo is blown, you spend the same amount of money by trying to the hoses first. If the turbo IS NOT blown, then you just saved $1300.

Nothing to loose and everything to gain.

Lets say you got bit by a spider on a finger, and your "doctor" told you they needed to cut off your arm to save your life, you would probably be going "can we try cutting off the finger first?"

Either way, your gonna loose an appendage, a finger or an arm and a finger ($200 or $1300+200), but at least by trying the finger first you might get lucky.

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How about this, why don't you replace the hoses first, that way when you do replace the turbo you can come here and rub it in our face. This way you can tell us how we were all wrong right from the get-go.

But if it turns out we were right, we will just be happy knowing we were able to keep you from spending $1300 right now that you didn't need to.

I don't know about you, but $1300 is nearly a mortgage payment for me, thats pretty good motivation to save it if I can.

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Most the VW's with low power I get in here need a new turbo. That's until you look at and find the intake clogged from the EGR, bad MAF, vacuum leaks, bad VNT actuator or a split intake hose. To most people when a turbo diesel looses power the first thing they blame is the turbo and it's almost always the least common thing that is really wrong. :D

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Most the VW's with low power I get in here need a new turbo. That's until you look at and find the intake clogged from the EGR, bad MAF, vacuum leaks, bad VNT actuator or a split intake hose. To most people when a turbo diesel looses power the first thing they blame is the turbo and it's almost always the least common thing that is really wrong. :D


OMG! I let my hoses go for awhile (79k) and oil has been leaking down the passenger side of the engine for months. I just replaced my hoses with Samcos and cleaned the area real well. Leak is gone it would seem.

Isn't there an oil return line to the pan from the turbo? Couldn't that leak without harming the turbo? That would explain the oil leak and the other crap (CCV and old hoses) would explain the smoke, oil and power problem.


DO THE HOSES. If you ignore us, SAVE THE TURBO. I am dying to know what the true story is.

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 Post subject: Re: Mechanic: "Turbo Blown"
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After you change the hoses - watch the oil level.. - and remember it takes about 30minutes for oil to drain down to the pan to correctly check the level.

I agree that the odds are that it's hoses only (mine blew about 40K miles - even with a Provent)

but if you are dumping oil out of a turbo fitting - these engines do not take well to running low on oil. so change the hoses first - and then watch carefully.

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Ditto, except, one last try... Is your exhaust doing this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNnMH5N ... re=related

No? Didn't think so. Your turbo is fine.

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A learned person, GMCTD who used to post here very often once wrote that unlike gasoline engines, turbo's on diesels do not have seals because they are under pressure on both side of the turbo. Whereas a gasoline turbo can have a vacuum on one side and that would suck oil.


100% false,a turbo on a diesel works the same as one on a gas engine.Worked on turbo diesels for 9 years,some weighing more then your CRD does.


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