Turbo Blew

geordi · **Posted:** Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:05 pm

What nut? On the center shaft at the end of the compressor wheel?

There is no nut there, the compressor wheel is the only thing on that side of the shaft that spins on (reverse threaded, right-y loosey) and might LOOK like a nut b/c that is where Garrett carefully mills away bits of the wheel to balance the shaft and turbine wheel.

Boss · **Posted:** Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:41 pm

Ah! The power of Lost Jeeps proven once again

dtosh · **Joined:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:58 pm **Posts:** 8

Another fyi for parts, found this ad on Chicago Craigslist.

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2956386517.html

cevans · **Joined:** Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:48 pm **Posts:** 278

For what its worth I can get new Garret units here at IDParts for $1,120.00.

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:15 pm

cevans wrote:

For what its worth I can get new Garret units here at IDParts for $1,120.00.

That is right in the ball park for the correct price, based on what Everglades Diesel was willing to sell me a new Garrett unit for a couple years ago, from Brazil: $1080.

Corey, thank you for stocking those. Are you stocking genuine Litens tensioners? You recently sent a timing belt parts collection to a gentleman named Bobby in Rincon, Ga - I did his timing belt job this past weekend. While I'm glad that you are now only stocking the Gates belt, he got one of the others.. Babco, I think it was? I don't know anything about them, so I don't know what to think about that... But we elected to NOT use the tensioner your kit came with, b/c it didn't have ANY manufacturers markings on it, and had a funny copper sleeve in the center, where the factory tensioner bolt hole was milled from a solid piece of aluminum and part of the rest of the body.

Thoughts? Where did that tensioner come from?

racertracer · **Posted:** Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:46 pm

Geordi, it sounds like it could become a very expensive repair kit.

:POPCORN:

cevans · **Joined:** Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:48 pm **Posts:** 278

Geordi - send me the order number / have the customer call and I'll take that tensioner back.

The OEM one is from Litens. I've contacted Litens through another distributor and I hope to get Litens tensioners made for our Jeeps within a few months. Lead times are long unfortunately. I've got OEM Litens ones in stock for now.

Sorry, this is now way off topic.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:36 pm

racertracer wrote:

Geordi, it sounds like it could become a very expensive repair kit.

:POPCORN:

I don't think so Racer - We (meaning I) replaced his idler pulleys after inspecting the factory ones, and found no significant differences between them. The idea was "Well, we have them here" but I was leaning toward not replacing them, just b/c they were still solid and smooth. The tensioner was the same way, it was dusty from the belt dust, but NO grease had ejected and the bearing (which is HUGE, btw) was smooth and tight too. The differences in the new tensioner from the factory one were enough to give us pause however. He works in a precision industry, so having parts where the provenance is known is an important feature. The new tensioner had the same "Japan" marking on the bearing itself... But NOTHING ELSE on it. Even my spare tensioner on my engine (Which I didn't replace either when I did my own TB) had the "Made in Canada" and "Litens" names all over it, and the aluminum looked like a higher grade casting than the generic one with the copper sleeve... Which I STILL can't figure why they would have done that.

Corey - Thanks for being a stand-up vendor. I'm not sure of his username on here (He does lurk but not post apparently) and I don't know his order number... But I will pass along your thoughts and leave it up to him. Its his truck and money, after all.

Thread direction? On-topic? Those concepts don't make any sense to me. :mrgreen:

Boss · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 12:29 pm

After a longer than I care to think about we have a new turbocharger.

Yesterday I got the unit installed. Now I am checking and checking no doubt making my blood pressure high.

I pulled the CAC hoses fro inspection: There was a little oil in there, They look like Vitron hoses with no rot, so I washed them with detergent, Blasted water through them with the garden hose, now they are drying in the sun. I am glad there was only a little oil, but still I wish there was a drain on the intercooler just to be sure. I'm agonizing over whether to pull it and drain and clean it.

Bottom view

those are the easy to get to nuts

This is where I believe most of the motor oil went. I'll pull the catalytic converter off here in a minute

Boss · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 1:48 pm

Anyone have a pic of how this heat shield fits?

There is some thick nasty oil in the muffler, although it didn't come pouring out when I separated the pipe between the catalytic converter and the muffler. Still not certain what to do. Options are remover the pipe from the catalytic to the front, which is still loose of the turbo. Try cleaning it? Core bore it?

papaindigo · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 2:21 pm

See picture a bit down on http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.ph ... 26099&da=y takes a bit to load. Curved edge which is down in your picture goes behind actuator assembly and right hand straight edge should have 2 bolt holes that line up on the block.

Boss · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 2:29 pm

You're the best, thanks

papaindigo · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 3:17 pm

You can never have too many pictures and notes for any project and when that fails there is always LOST.

camo · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:02 pm

Nice... is everything working ok with the engine? I hope the turbo was all the problem.
where you able to get the money back form PayPal?
What was the sticker $$ on that turbo?

Boss · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:09 pm

I'm guessing this is the catalytic converter

I don't see how it will come out short of cutting it. There is only the one bolted connector between the muffler and this oval shape can in front of it. Until we recover financially from the turbo itself, and we can get to a muffler shop, I may have to bore the CC out in place. :roll:

Surely it is clogged and causing too much back pressure as it is.
I know there is a liability issue even talking about these silly things. Perhaps we can call it The Can. What do ya think? Kill the Can?

Boss · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:18 pm

Yes Rafael, they finally refunded the money. Sorry it didn't work out with yours. It was totally my mistake. By the time we got the dough back we were able to use our next paychecks to buy the new one , now we have to eat beans and rice for a week :shock:

$1300.
I did look at the link for the new turbo suggested here for a couple hundred less, It just wasn't clear enough to me that it was the right way to go.

WolverineFW · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 7:10 pm

I thought there was a flange on the exhaust between the converter and the flex pipe that comes off the turbo? (Cannot remember for sure.) You should be able to disconnect it there.

camo · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 9:29 pm

Boss wrote:

Yes Rafael, they finally refunded the money. Sorry it didn't work out with yours. It was totally my mistake. By the time we got the dough back we were able to use our next paychecks to buy the new one , now we have to eat beans and rice for a week :shock:

$1300.
I did look at the link for the new turbo suggested here for a couple hundred less, It just wasn't clear enough to me that it was the right way to go.

I can send you some nice Texas BBQ to mitigate that LOL :ROTFL:

Glad it worked out.

Boss · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 10:54 am

BMN WooHoo Jeep Is Back

Brian's Morning Newsletter
Monday, May 07 2012

Good Morning
How do I spell relief? Probably incorrectly. Doesn't matter does it? Relief is the feeling I felt yesterday around 6:00PM after I got the courage to top-off the oil in the Jeep and turn it over. The diesel engine purred to life as if nothing had ever been amiss.

Honestly I often wish we could afford to hire a professional mechanic to work on our cars. Certainly there are benefits to doing it myself, such as knowing I did the best possible job, but the stress is a killer. The moments prior to getting in the car and turning over the engine after major repair is not something I care to repeat.

Too much is on the line. I can't explain, and even if I could, I'm certain most people can not relate, and probably wouldn't want to read about it. I'm just happy it's over. I said to Nell last night, "I won't use the Jeep for work today, I still need to change the oil and filter. Tuesday, I'll do that and afterward I will devote my full mechanical attention to the Mercedes and the Volkswagen. I'll get one or both back in action, that is a promise."

We received a incredible thunderstorm last night. Someday we'll get a recording weather station. What we know is it drizzled from dusk until dark, then it began to thunder. Shortly after dark, hail pounded everything for 30 minutes to an hour. The power blinked out for a moment. Normally we're running the TV and streaming video off our wind power, at that moment we were on grid power.

Obviously yesterday we were preoccupied, in fact I was barely able to move without pain, mainly I think from leaning over the engine compartment and being on the concrete floor of the shop all weekend.

(truncated newsletter read it all here: http://outfitnm.com/2012/05/07/bmn-woohoo-jeep-is-back)

Jeep-engine-compartment-after-turbo-job – (I know, you can't even tell I did anything, right?)
Neat little story about the coolant tank seen above with golden colored fluid in it. Jack and I could not locate one last small hose to the top of that tank. I thought perhaps there wasn't one, except the book kind of showed different. So I grabbed short section of hose from the hose stash and placed it on the hose barb sticking out the top of the tank, thinking I would blow on it and see if it was active. An amazing thing happened: The missing hose hissed. Sure it would, the coolant system is a closed system, meaning fluids can't get out, unless one of the hoses is off. Bingo!

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