Hey, I know that car. If I remember correctly, I even helped work on it, in it's first incarnation as an electric for Port Townsend High School to run in the APS Electrics competition in Phoenix back in the 90's. Then Roderick Wilde of Wilde EVolutions got ahold of it and turned it into a drag car to run in NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association, sanctioned under NHRA) competitions.

Yes, there is an honest-to-god official electric drag racing association, with their own section in the NHRA rulebook.

There for a few years, I was a member of both SEVA (Seattle Electric Vehicle Association) and NOPEC (Northern Olympic Peninsula Electric Cars) in Port Townsend. Knew a few EV'ers down in Portland as well.

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'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
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Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
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Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

Reflex....ever wonder why Al Gore didn't carry his home state in the 2000 election? It's because we know him best and know he's a media panderer. I'm no fan. Funny how he preaches how climate change is destroying the Earth, yet his wife owns several classic muscle cars, the two (only TWO) of them live in a huge mansion that uses the electricy of a small city. But all that's forgiven, he pays "carbon offsets".

Now, I only know what I hear, and I don't know him personally, so maybe I'm all wrong. But I've never seen that hybrid limo parked in his driveway.

Takes a lot of cash to heat and cool a house built in 1915.

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Chad Hargis
Nashville, TN
2008 Grand Cherokee CRD
2005 Liberty CRD *SOLD*

First, you might want to do a bit more looking into Al's overall carbon footprint. Do you really think he is not aware of the press he is getting on this issue?
Second, and most importantly, this is a strawman argument. Al Gore's house and car have nothing to do with the validity of global warming.
Research the topic more carefully. To people who know and study the subject, the your arguments sound much like a school child claiming the world is flat because he lives in Kansas. Or, in this case, someone looking at the thermometer in their backyard on a cold day and concluding global warming is not an issue.
I get most discouraged when I see technically-minded, very bright individuals who research the intricacies, complexities and subtleties of their vehicles apply no such careful analysis and intellectual skill to a topic that is far more important.

Research the topic and see where the evidence leads you, don't look for "evidence" to back up your beliefs. I would love nothing more than to be assured global warming was not an issue but the overwhelming evidence suggests we are the primary cause of a catastrophic change underway - which includes a massive species die-off and ecosystem alterations that will even affect our food supply. We can't bury your head in the sand anymore because the beach is dying: Just off the Pacific Coast of Washington there have been huge "dead zones" recently that have been the result of shifting winds and ocean currents that are unprecedented in their scope and timing.

Research, consider, think, converse and hold fast to that which makes the most sense.

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* Magnaflow
* Kennedy Diesel lift pump
* Custom CCV condensor
* Custom modified thermostat housing w/bleeder valve

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Reflex,

Whether or not you agree with Hubbert's theory of peak oil, it is hard to argue with charts showing actual production figures. US oil production has declined since the 1970-80 decade, and is now only about 50% of what is was then. Non-OPEC world wide production peaked several years ago and is in decline. See the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

Actually proven oil reserves of the middle eastern nations are about 4 times as great of those as Canada, including its oil sands (see the link). Many industry analysts, including the CEO of Schlumberger (world leading oil services contractor) predict a crossing of the lines of demand (rapidly increasing) versus supply (rate of increase is slowing). Many analysts predict an intersection of these curves sometime between 2010 and 2020.

There is a lot of crackpot social theory being written, using peak oil as a catalyst for social and economic crisis, which leads to some desired form of social revolution. Those seeking to piggyback a social agenda on the peak oil theory do not invalidate the theory itself.

According to EPA figures, the process of converting coal to liquid fuel results in 118% more CO2 produced than the production and burning of petroleum fuel. Unless there is a major breakthrough in this process, it may be environmentally unacceptable to those concerned about global warming.

Oil shale is not listed as proven oil reserves, because oil shale, contrary to its name, does not contain petroleum, but a substance that can be chemically converted to a liquid fuel. Evidently, the process is too expensive to competively produce fuel, even at today's prices.

In my opinion, coal mining and shale mining are a lot more destructive to the environment than drilled oil wells, or farming. Modern farming uses low till or no till (planting directly into stubble from previous crop), injects fertilizer below the ground surface, and leaves crop residue and roots in place after harvest, to prevent erosion.

I agree with your interest in algal biodiesel. A company called Solazyme has recently signed an agreement with Chevron, to develop commercial scale algal biodiesel production. They are still 2-3 years away from commercial implementation, but have produced several thousand gallons of fuel.

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Also, I know it is "cool" among friends to dismiss Al Gore. Al Gore is not cool to like. By all means keep up that front! It is important they think you are still hip to their belief system as you learn more. This topic is very unsettling and will not make you or them feel better. But, I have found it does work in the long run to slowly introduce the incontrovertible facts to them along with potential solutions they can partake in. They have to feel they have some control in this situation or they will continue to focus on the Al Gore is a geek side of it.
Hey! Come to think of it, maybe you could use teasing of Al Gore to your advantage! Perhaps it could be a macho challenge: Who can beat him in the solutions department!
This topic is slowly but surely getting beyond Democrat/Republican politics.......perhaps it is time to be a part of the solutions....

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* 245/70/16 Nokian Vatiiva
* Magnaflow
* Kennedy Diesel lift pump
* Custom CCV condensor
* Custom modified thermostat housing w/bleeder valve

2006 CRD Limited (wife's)
* Bone stock

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?
Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.
The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.
Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.
As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.
As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

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2016 Arctic Fox 22G/Onboard 2500 LP Cummins Onan Generator/160 Watt Solar Panel

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Chad - For the record I truly dislike Al Gore, but as Keigh pointed out, liking Al Gore is not a prerequisite for a scientific theory. My significant other is in the environmental sciences and in one of her classes they had the assignment to watch 'An Inconvenient Truth' and mark everything that was incorrectly presented, incompletely presented, exaggerated or implied without real explanation. The list was a mile long. However the point of the exercise was not that 'global warming' is incorrect as a scientific theory, but instead to demonstrate the gap between science and the media, and how poorly these issues are presented.

Most people still think that 'global warming' means a hotter planet, when in actuality it means a higher mean temperature, in other words, an equalization of the temperatures between the poles and the equator. This has some very serious implications for a lot of ecosystems, incluidng many that directly or indirectly impact humans(not that we are the only thing important on the planet).

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Explain how the mean temperature rises if the temperatures equalize between the poles and the equator. If the lows increase and the highs decrease, the mean stays the same, mathematically. And why would that phenomenon be called "warming"?

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Lord have mercy Dieselenthusiast! The least you could do is change a few words when you plagiarize Phil Brennan and others. These are not your words. It may be time to invest in a higher standard of intellectual integrity.

If you are going to be taken seriously while engaging in a debate on this topic I would suggest you look at the evidence, read the analysis and then come to a rational conclusion. Do not look for evidence to support your beliefs. I know this is scary! Depending upon your personality, it can make your world view much less certain and make you feel out of control.

Perhaps you have some questions:
Who's data do you think are most accurate? Scientists or some guy with a six pack and a thermometer?
Who's analysis are you going to take most seriously? Zoologists, Climatologists, Geologists, Oceanographers and others who utilize the scientific method as the basis of their analysis, or a few people with a vested interest in hunting polar bears and drilling for oil in the Arctic?

The problem with global warming is that the system is quite complex and most layman (myself included) like simply answers and specific events to point to in order to prove their point. People loath having to think too hard about complicated things. But this is too important....so even I clench my teeth and do my homework.

Heck, even if you believe the whole global warming thing is some kind of giant scam, you will still have to deal with all the gullible, uninformed people such as myself who are being fooled by the scam artists. We intend to drive change and that change will affect you. Therefore, wouldn't it make sense for you to be more educated on the topic than I am instead of cutting and pasting silly sound bites as real information - and without original thought? Please teach me and the thousands of scientists why their data and analysis is so completely wrong.

Believe it or not, this does (eventually ) dovetail in with alternative energy. Most folks want the magic energy bullet. They don't want to think about the potential complexity that will likely be our future. They don't want to be responsible for their part in it. They just want to get to work in the morning and not otherwise be bothered. Believe me, I completely empathize with that feeling.

But this is too important for me to remain foolishly comfortable.

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* 245/70/16 Nokian Vatiiva
* Magnaflow
* Kennedy Diesel lift pump
* Custom CCV condensor
* Custom modified thermostat housing w/bleeder valve

2006 CRD Limited (wife's)
* Bone stock

As I understand it, the temperature at the equator will not decrease much if at all, but the temperature at the poles will increase, eventually reaching a level close to that at the equator. As a result, the overall mean will have risen, but you won't necessarily see 'higher highs' unless you are talking in specific regions as opposed to the planet as a whole. One thing not commonly understood is that this means fewer hurricanes, as hurricanes are formed by differentials in atmospheric temperatures. That said, the hurricanes that do occur will be worse, since warm water fuels them and the water on average will be warmer...

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Nope, I didn't write any of it. I cut and paste it. Here's the rest of the article:

Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow. Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.

Editor's Note: Special: Gore Went Nuts When He Read This

AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China, stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the government said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincial disaster relief office told AFP.

Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, and four remained missing as of Saturday.

An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17, the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including 7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.

In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England, according to the Express, which reports that experts say that February could end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to services being disrupted by cold weather.

Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. The agency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, public services remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the more severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.

Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.

More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.

If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

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2016 Arctic Fox 22G/Onboard 2500 LP Cummins Onan Generator/160 Watt Solar Panel

I took the road less traveled. Now I'm LOST.

It all comes down to the fact that we all live on a big old rock that is constantly changing, has been for millions of years, are we going to stop it? heck no, we are only here for a very short time and what we do may play a very small part in how everything reacts but it is the way everything evolves. Nothing we do will change the earth from changing. It has been proven time and time again that the earth has had very hot times and cooler times its part of nature. Too much is being spent on BS, Al Gore should turn off some of his lights and save some dollars so when people find out what a hoax he is he will have money for soup to eat.

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True, if the poles warm more than the equator cools, the mean changes. But going back a few posts "hotter planet" is synonymous with "higher mean temperature".

My main problem with the global warming movement is how they have defined their argument such that they're never wrong. To them, any weather event that we haven't yet witnessed in mankind's short tenure on this Earth can be blamed on global warming. Whether it's extreme heat or extreme cold or just extreme weather. As my green neighbor put it last winter while we were shoveling 3 feet of snow: "Harsher, more frequent storms and a more variable climate!" How convenient.

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Your neighbor is obviously incorrect, but that just goes back to the fact that most people don't really understand the underlying science and its predictions, whether they believe it or not. Much like few Christians I meet actually know what thier religion states in detail, just what thier pastor tells them. Blaming the science for the poor media representation is putting blame in the wrong place.

I personally blame Al Gore for some of this, he's certainly stood by and let people mis-charactorize what the results will be. The truth is that it will be positive in some respects(warmer temperatures mean more evaporation which means higher humidity and consequently more rainfall), but the effects will not necessarily be evenly distributed in a way thats beneficial to current population distributions, and the loss of speciation will result in major upsets to the food chain which will affect humans dramatically.

Personally the real concern is not global warming IMO, its acidification of th oceans, which itself could wipe out human life due to major atmospheric change(essentially oxygen would be replaced by sulfer). This has happened historically and we are approaching the CO2 saturation level required for it, and the change happens within a decade, far too quickly for even humans to adapt.

But I digress.

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I think I will stick with my sources of information concerning global warming and it's implications for dramatic climate alterations and species die-offs: Scientists who study the subject. And I think I will stick with my sources of information regarding Jeep mods and tinkering: People on this forum who study the subject.

Research the topic and then allow the evidence to suggest and answer instead of looking for evidence to support your favored conclusion. Especially if the favored conclusion is a result of peer pressure. (more often than not)

But just remember, as you do your research, make absolutely certain you maintain the "I hate Al Gore" mantra! Otherwise people will think you are a wimp.

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* Magnaflow
* Kennedy Diesel lift pump
* Custom CCV condensor
* Custom modified thermostat housing w/bleeder valve

2006 CRD Limited (wife's)
* Bone stock

Blaming every weather event on global warming is obviously of little use and it frustrates me a great deal when I hear people do that.

However, after looking at the way you couched your statement (them, they, their, movement, green neighbor etc..) what is also of great interest to me is what your personal plans are for contributing to our collective energy future. First, dismissing the entire topic as a "movement" along with thousands of scientists worldwide is the height of arrogance on your part. But even if you are comfortable with this view, surely you have some interest in alternative energy? You don't actually believe oil will last forever do you? Am I correct to assume you think it is in the best interest of our grandchildren that WE put some serious effort into finding new energy sources for them and their society? Sooner rather than later?
If you at least agree with these last few, then perhaps you can use the greenies to your advantage? Perhaps as a resource rather than a foil?

I have never understood people who don't like environmentalists and I often end up asking them: If I dumped my used motor oil on my property such that it leaked toward your well, would you be an environmentalist by attempting to protect the environment around the well? Or would you honor my right to do as I please? Could you produce solid evidence that it was MY motor oil that was contaminating your water supply? Would you use a "scientist" to prove it or the neighborhood Shaman? And if you did use the scientist to prove it was my oil, could you then produce solid evidence that it was indeed causing the cancer your daughter is now experiencing? How might you do that? Another scientist or another Shaman?
How do we study climate? With scientists who are dedicated to the subject or with Shamans? Do we take a viewpoint we are comfortable with and one that we know is acceptable to our peers and then look for evidence to support it? Or do we study the topic with the resources available to us and let the evidence and expert analysis guide our conclusions?

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* 245/70/16 Nokian Vatiiva
* Magnaflow
* Kennedy Diesel lift pump
* Custom CCV condensor
* Custom modified thermostat housing w/bleeder valve

2006 CRD Limited (wife's)
* Bone stock

Times TWO How does any of this relate to our CRD's Could it and the Amsoil debate be taken ELSEWHERE

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Here’s a CRD question. Does running the biodiesel keep the intake, sensors, and other CRD problematic issues cleaner and maintenance free vs. running ULSD?

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I would expect that to be the case, but I'll reserve judgement until I have evidence. I've done a MAP sensor cleaning before my CCV and SEFR mods. And I'm running a high percentage of biodiesel. I'll see if the need to clean the MAP sensor is reduced, however, if the sensor stays clean, that would be attributed to a number of things besides biodiesel.

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