nursecosmo wrote:
vtdog wrote:
It is my belief that the fuel system problem experienced by some owners is not a “design” flaw, but rather a “mechanical” error found in those cars which display the problem. If the problem were due to a design issue then “all” owners would have experienced the issue. Clearly this is not the case. I suspect that the problem is related to poor manufacture and/or installation of the fuel lines/heads which results in poor sealing of the system due to gasket, or fitting failure/misalignment. The result being that the system, under vacuum rather than pressure as has been noted, sucks in air and causes the engine to be starved of fuel.
Logic would dictate that the problem has to be “unique” to those vehicles which display the problem, or else all would have reported the issue. The percentage of owners noting the difficulty may be high, but it is not 100%. I am an original owner with over 70k miles at present. I have started/driven the Jeep in temps ranging from -20 to over 100F without issue. I get a general mpg of 25+/- and have approached 30 mpg on occasion in hot weather. My car is bone stock and has had no fuel issues (except a minor slow start due to dirty filter) in the entire time I have owned it. I normally change my filter at 25 thousand miles and have only had to prime the system after filter change. I do not use any fuel additives except some anti-gel in very cold weather.
I am not an engineer, mechanic, or gear head, but just a lowly chemist. I do understand the principal of “Occam’s razor” which has been understood by both scientists and philosophers since the 1300s. Basically the theory states that the simplest answer to a problem is the most correct. I suspect that the simple answer is mechanical failure, not design flaw. If I had the problem I would be looking at the fittings and couplings FIRST and eliminate those as the cause before looking for more complicated solutions.
Just my 2 cents. Oh and by the way, kudos to GDE for simple, logical, and non-emotional solutions.
By this reasoning, none of the common issues encountered by the average CRD owner are "design flaws". The recalled ball joints must be due to manufacturing variance, not due to a design flaw using an undersized weight bearing component in a heavy SUV because not a full 100% of owners have had to replace them. The sticky EGRs must be due to improper installation at the factory, not because of all of that thick black crap stuck in the perfectly designed part. The torque converter replacements performed by DCX must have been done because some tech putting them together at the factory thought that the instructions said plastic stator and not steel stator. It obviously couldn't have been because of design flaws, because not 100% of owners have had to replace their Torque converters.
Ask the airline industry what an "acceptable" rate of failure is for a particular part to be considered to have a design flaw. The answer will often be just one.
I'm not sure how you are differentiating between "mechanical failure" and "design flaw". Under normal operating conditions, If it fails when it shouldn't, or well before it's expected lifespan, it is a design flaw.
Any time you place a vacuum on the inlet side of the pump, you have a potential for air leakage. I the old pre TDI VW diesels they had a strainer in the tank that would wax up and make the car stall and starve for fuel. I lost count how many strainers I tossed in the garbage. Since they had an air trap in the top of the VE pump, any air bubbles were separated and sent back to the tank to rise to the top and go away. Due to this design they got away with sucking fuel out of the tank.
In the Waste Water business they put the plants along the river so all the stuff goes down hill. Where there are houses on the beach they need to SUCK the sewage out of the drains to get it to lift stations to send it to the plant.
Does any one need to ask me what happens when the sewer line going to the house has a vacuum leak
Vacuum sewer systems are Job security for sewer plant workers.
They love the idea that because 100% don't fail every year, it is not a design flaw.
Another case of when something sucks it can fail.
That is why my vote on this topic is for the Bean Counter Design flaw.
GDE may have a great tune, but they jumped into a hornets nest on the Lift Pump.