Don't get me wrong I like my CRD, but keep the Mercedes are you whacked!!
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| Author: | E300 [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
I have been lurking in this forum for a couple months now, and have gotten the bug to get a Liberty CRD. I currently own a heavily Modified 1999 Mercedes E300 Turbo Diesel. I am seriously considering getting rid of the Mercedes and getting a Liberty CRD. I have a couple questions though: I used to own a 1991 Jeep Cherokee, and the build quality was poor, how does the build quality of the Liberty compare with the old Cherokee's? In terms of acceleration does a tuning box like the Predator etc, give the Liberty a huge perfomance increase? I read somewhere that it takes close to 3 seconds off the 0-60 so that would be in the 7 second range? To me that seems like a huge increase in performance. I chipped my Diesel Mercedes and it does it in about that. I know there are the usual problems (tranny, EGR, etc) are there any other major problems that one should look out for? I live in California so I will have to buy a used Liberty, What kind of options are must haves, and which options are just a pain? Thanks |
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| Author: | Pats71RT [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:53 pm ] |
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I used to own a 1991 Jeep Cherokee, and the build quality was poor, how does the build quality of the Liberty compare with the old Cherokee's? The liberty is alot better quality. In terms of acceleration does a tuning box like the Predator etc, give the Liberty a huge perfomance increase? I read somewhere that it takes close to 3 seconds off the 0-60 so that would be in the 7 second range? To me that seems like a huge increase in performance. I chipped my Diesel Mercedes and it does it in about that. I have not used any performance modules. I know there are the usual problems (tranny, EGR, etc) are there any other major problems that one should look out for? Yea I have had mine to the dealer 13 times and still have problems. I have 34k and would never buy another. I live in California so I will have to buy a used Liberty, What kind of options are must haves, and which options are just a pain? Want to buy mine. |
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| Author: | DarbyWalters [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:03 pm ] |
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The modules do make about a big difference. Diesel power added a DynoMax Catback and two different modules. Stock with the Dynomax 159 rwhp 268 #'s Diesel Power Module 183.3 rwhp 306.6 #'s Predator Module 183.9 rwhp 310.1 #'s Droped 2.7 sec 0-60 and 1.8 sec 50-70 1/4 mile from 18.9 @ 72.88 to 16.9 @ 81.6 (DPM) and 17.1 @ 82.3 (Pred) |
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| Author: | KenJennings [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
E300 wrote: ...What kind of options are must haves, and which options are just a pain? Well, I like the tire pressure monitor option. Not the standard that just warns about pressure, but the one that gives individual psi numbers for each tire on the overhead console.
Thanks Otherwise it depends on what you want to do. Want to tow? Get the tow package. Want to off road? Get the skid plates. |
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| Author: | Bovie [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:56 pm ] |
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I was a little worried about build quality but it seems like its built as well if not better than most new cars. I really having the Tire PSI on the EVIC(Over Head Console). It's just fun to look at not to mention the added benifit of knowing about a low tire psi right away. Some people are having problems and some people have none. Sofar I haven't had any but mine only has 3500 miles on it. To quote another forum member I love my little Tourqe Monster. That being said I still cannot ever sell my 83 Mercedes 240D Diesel. It just has a personality that no new car has. |
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| Author: | Ripster [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
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Don't get me wrong I like my CRD, but keep the Mercedes are you whacked!!
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| Author: | litton [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:47 pm ] |
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The animals are so totally differant you can not make a comparison. I have owned quite a few MB's and they are very reliable but terribly expensive to repair. They are not worth a hoot off-road but will give great on-road comfort and economy which you will not get in a Liberty. Your just can not compare....you either want a Jeep or not. The CRD is one of the most fun cars to drive I have had in a long time but it is what it is......and it ain't a MB. |
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| Author: | alljeep [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
E300 wrote: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD?
no. |
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| Author: | Endurance [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:15 pm ] |
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Look at my sig. That is probably as fast as it gets. |
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| Author: | alljeep [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
alljeep wrote: E300 wrote: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? no. Let me expand my answer. No, because I think you will be happier with the new Diesel MB powered Jeep Grand Cherokee due to start production in mid January of 2007. Purchase it new in another state, with the help of a relative, then get it titled in California after it hits 7,500 miles. |
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| Author: | KJbob [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
alljeep wrote: alljeep wrote: E300 wrote: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? no. Let me expand my answer. No, because I think you will be happier with the new Diesel MB powered Jeep Grand Cherokee due to start production in mid January of 2007. Purchase it new in another state, with the help of a relative, then get it titled in California after it hits 7,500 miles. Yup, the new Grand CRD gets my vote as well. I just hope it stays around longer than the Liberty CRD. I'm also interested in checking out the new VW Jetta CRD due out in '08. |
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| Author: | s_allcroft [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:32 am ] |
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I owned a 1988 Cherokee. I would surly say that the build quality is much better. Not that there are not some issues. However if you have been lurking, you are probaly very aware of these issues. As for the Mercedes. I agree that The CRD and the E300 and very different and its hard it make a direct comparision. If it were me and I could do so. I would keep the E300 and purchase a CRD... |
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| Author: | torqueofthetown [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:51 pm ] |
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IMHO, unless you need the CRD for towing or 4wheeling...... by all means keep the MB. Just curious...... what kind of mods have you done to your MB? |
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| Author: | E300 [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:10 pm ] |
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wow the consensus is the keep the Mercedes.....Maybe I will keep the Mercedes and also purchase a high mileage Liberty. I heard the new Grand Cherokee's diesel motor will be an all aluminum block, which to me means reduced longevity, due to the high combustion chamber temperatures you see in a diesel. So with the power module you only took .3 seconds off your 0-60? Maybe if I can find a CRD Liberty around the 12-15k range I will pick one up. I can't believe there are so many problems with this truck, this motor has been around in Europe for a long time. |
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| Author: | litton [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:27 pm ] |
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I'm not so sure there are that many problems with the CRD, we just keep discussing variations about the same 3 to 4 items quite often. Could be wrong but that's my take in the short time I've been a member. |
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| Author: | KenJennings [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:28 pm ] |
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litton wrote: I'm not so sure there are that many problems with the CRD, we just keep discussing variations about the same 3 to 4 items quite often. Could be wrong but that's my take in the short time I've been a member.
1) Crappy EGR 2) Crappy Torque Converter 3) Crappy OEM Tires 4) Crappy Air Intake Box 5) Crappy Dealer Repairs 6) Crappy Jiffy Lube work 7) Causes for crappy mileage 8 ) Why every other suv is crap next to a CRD 
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| Author: | Jeger [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:19 am ] |
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I bought a CRD knowing all of the potential problems. There is nothing out there that compares to the CRD for what we wanted. All of the problems the CRD has can, and I believe, will be overcome in time. Either through the efforts of DC or the efforts of individual owners or the aftermarket crowd. If someone wants it bad enough it will happen. People are telling you to stick with the Mercedes only because it doesnt make much sense to try and compare the two vehicles, if you must go offroad or tow something then that would be the only reason to change, unless you just must have a liberty. You already have the diesel bug, and if you like a little more creature comforts it may be a good idea to wait for the diesel grand to come out it could be a super fine ride. With all that said I still think you should get a CRD 
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| Author: | RFCRD [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:27 am ] |
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E300 wrote: wow the consensus is the keep the Mercedes.....Maybe I will keep the Mercedes and also purchase a high mileage Liberty. I heard the new Grand Cherokee's diesel motor will be an all aluminum block, which to me means reduced longevity, due to the high combustion chamber temperatures you see in a diesel. Using an aluminum block (and heads) should improve longevity through improved cooling efficiency. It will also have cast iron cylinders like most other diesels. Most newly designed car engines are going aluminum for the weight savings and thermal efficiency. This is going to be a very nice engine if DC doesn't blow the install and product support. E300 wrote: Maybe if I can find a CRD Liberty around the 12-15k range I will pick one up. I can't believe there are so many problems with this truck, this motor has been around in Europe for a long time.
It's not the engine, it's the way it was installed and the rest of truck which includes the entire support network from DC through the dealer. As you are reading look at the scramble to find extended warranties, a good indication of owner confidence (or lack there-of). It will probably be a couple of years before you find one of these in that price range. Hopefully, by that time there will be enough aftermarket fixes available. Until then, keep your Benz! |
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| Author: | NJBill [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:24 pm ] |
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litton wrote: I'm not so sure there are that many problems with the CRD, we just keep discussing variations about the same 3 to 4 items quite often. Could be wrong but that's my take in the short time I've been a member.
We have 15,000 trouble free miles on our CRD. It is a great vhicle with excellent build quality. We've owned BMW, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles. The Jeep Liberty is my favorite vehicle so far... excluding my KTM of course .
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| Author: | Bozie [ Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I get rid of my diesel mercedes and get a CRD? |
[quote="E300"]I have been lurking in this forum for a couple months now, and have gotten the bug to get a Liberty CRD. I currently own a heavily Modified 1999 Mercedes E300 Turbo Diesel. I am seriously considering getting rid of the Mercedes and getting a Liberty CRD. I have a couple questions though: I traded my 1986 300SDL for the liberty,,, I really miss the old girl... |
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