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Author:  RAF 3829 [ Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  fuel filter
Is there a listing of fuel filters for the CRD? Tried the search, but didn't turn up anything.
Author:  fresh8fly [ Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:38 pm ]
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no, believe it is mopar only at this point. the wix part number is no good yet that wix lists on there website.
Author:  tulsa [ Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:07 pm ]
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Isn't the Wix filter supposed to be here in April?

Is it here yet???

Is it here yet???

Is it here yet???

Is it here yet???
Author:  Kniggit [ Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:16 pm ]
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it was not at Car-Quest a week ago

K
Author:  RTStabler51 [ Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:29 pm ]
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If you are a DIY guy, be careful with the bleeder screw. They seem to be very sensitive on tightening them...
Author:  tulsa [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:46 am ]
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RockAuto.com has the Wix 33647 for $25.79. Its here!!!

Napa has FIL3647 for 29.59
Author:  dgeist [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:26 am ]
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tulsa wrote:
RockAuto.com has the Wix 33746 for $25.79. Its here!!!

Napa has FIL3647 for 29.59


I think the wix part is 33647:
http://info.rockauto.com/WIX/DetailWIX.htm?www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=33647
Author:  oldnavy [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:33 am ]
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You guys need to check out the Cat fuel filter adaptor. It allows for install of the Cat 2 micron filter that will not pass anything above the size of 2 micron. Anything above the 7 micron size is a no-no in a common rail diesel system, the OEM filter is 10 micron nominal and 20 or 30 micron absolute filter and breaks down with slighest moisture ion the fuel. An added plus is that the filters are about $15 or 1/2 te price the OEM filter and will easy last 20,000 to 30,000 miles when reletive clean fuel is used. That is fuel that has been prefiltered at the pump to remove any of the large stuff.
Author:  dgeist [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:48 am ]
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oldnavy wrote:
You guys need to check out the Cat fuel filter adaptor. It allows for install of the Cat 2 micron filter that will not pass anything above the size of 2 micron. Anything above the 7 micron size is a no-no in a common rail diesel system, the OEM filter is 10 micron nominal and 20 or 30 micron absolute filter and breaks down with slighest moisture ion the fuel. An added plus is that the filters are about $15 or 1/2 te price the OEM filter and will easy last 20,000 to 30,000 miles when reletive clean fuel is used. That is fuel that has been prefiltered at the pump to remove any of the large stuff.


I look forward to ordering one, but... NAPA is open and my filter is clogged today :P Greg can't get one to me before I head to work in the morning.

As an aside, it says this in the shop manual:
The fuel filter/water separator assembly is located in the left rear corner of the engine compartment. It incorporates the fuel system prime button, bleed screw, fuel temperature sensor, fuel heater and a water in fuel (WIF) sensor. Only the fuel filter canister and the WIF sensor are serviced separately. The fuel filter has a 3 micron element and tightens clockwise to the housing.

Is that a lie or are they using "new" math?

Dan
Author:  oldnavy [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:02 pm ]
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dgeist wrote:
oldnavy wrote:
You guys need to check out the Cat fuel filter adaptor. It allows for install of the Cat 2 micron filter that will not pass anything above the size of 2 micron. Anything above the 7 micron size is a no-no in a common rail diesel system, the OEM filter is 10 micron nominal and 20 or 30 micron absolute filter and breaks down with slighest moisture ion the fuel. An added plus is that the filters are about $15 or 1/2 te price the OEM filter and will easy last 20,000 to 30,000 miles when reletive clean fuel is used. That is fuel that has been prefiltered at the pump to remove any of the large stuff.


I look forward to ordering one, but... NAPA is open and my filter is clogged today :P Greg can't get one to me before I head to work in the morning.

As an aside, it says this in the shop manual:
The fuel filter/water separator assembly is located in the left rear corner of the engine compartment. It incorporates the fuel system prime button, bleed screw, fuel temperature sensor, fuel heater and a water in fuel (WIF) sensor. Only the fuel filter canister and the WIF sensor are serviced separately. The fuel filter has a 3 micron element and tightens clockwise to the housing.

Is that a lie or are they using "new" math?

Dan
My guess is new math, but Greg is the one who talked to the head science guy at the fuel lab, but I think he said it 10 micron nominal. I have never heard of a paper fuel filter that could filter below 10 or 15 micron. It could just be a misprint like the 4 quarts needed to fill th tranny after replacing filters and torque converter that the FSM states. That was off by about about 5 qts, as it takes about 9 or 9.5 quarts to fill after tranny service.
Author:  Ranger1 [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:06 pm ]
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The 3 micron rating is probably what the engineers spec'd out, as it made it to the FSM, but you know how that goes... Torque converters, fuel filters and many other parts can be substituted with lower quality parts - without notification. But as with all specs, 3 micron is not actually 3 micron unless you see a standards based test mentioned, and the words absolute instead of nominal. Retmil46 and I have NH 5 micron filters to use, but now that the CAT 2 micron filter is available, it's the best filtering solution available for our CRD's.
Author:  oldnavy [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:16 pm ]
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Ranger1 wrote:
The 3 micron rating is probably what the engineers spec'd out, as it made it to the FSM, but you know how that goes... Torque converters, fuel filters and many other parts can be substituted with lower quality parts - without notification. But as with all specs, 3 micron is not actually 3 micron unless you see a standards based test mentioned, and the words absolute instead of nominal. Retmil46 and I have NH 5 micron filters to use, but now that the CAT 2 micron filter is available, it's the best filtering solution available for our CRD's.
I have located (someone posted the link here) a filter head assembly that I can use on the old MB to adapt a Cat 2 micron for it later. I just need to work out how to plumb it in after the main fuel filter.
Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Tue May 01, 2007 8:40 pm ]
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tulsa wrote:
RockAuto.com has the Wix 33647 for $25.79. Its here!!!

Napa has FIL3647 for 29.59


Do you know the specs on these two filters?
Author:  dgeist [ Wed May 02, 2007 12:04 am ]
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BlackLibertyCRD wrote:
tulsa wrote:
RockAuto.com has the Wix 33647 for $25.79. Its here!!!

Napa has FIL3647 for 29.59


Do you know the specs on these two filters?


My local NAPA (SE distribution hub) disavowed their existence, so I ordered a CAT conversion. They have no specs since they are a figment of the aftermarket imagination :wink:
Author:  IndyCRD [ Mon May 14, 2007 6:01 pm ]
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dgeist wrote:
BlackLibertyCRD wrote:
tulsa wrote:
RockAuto.com has the Wix 33647 for $25.79. Its here!!!

Napa has FIL3647 for 29.59


Do you know the specs on these two filters?


My local NAPA (SE distribution hub) disavowed their existence, so I ordered a CAT conversion. They have no specs since they are a figment of the aftermarket imagination :wink:


I just ordered one of these NAPA filters on Saturday and it came in today. They really do exist. I have it in hand.
Author:  LONEPINERON [ Sat May 19, 2007 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Napa filter
Yes they are here fleetfilters.com sells them for $18.20 ordered 3 yesterday. Here is a link to the specs http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/ ... Part=33647 . Hope this helps. Also the filter comes with the drain installed so you don''t have to transfer old one from stock filter.
Author:  Wobbly [ Mon May 21, 2007 10:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Napa filter
LONEPINERON wrote:
Yes they are here fleetfilters.com sells them for $18.20 ordered 3 yesterday. Here is a link to the specs http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/ ... Part=33647 . Hope this helps. Also the filter comes with the drain installed so you don''t have to transfer old one from stock filter.


www.fleetfilter.com ? Wix 33647 isn't listed.
Not shown on Rock Auto site either.
Wobbly
Author:  jeep06 [ Wed May 23, 2007 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  fuel flow
Since everyone is talking about the Cat 2 micron filter which sounds great, is there a problem using this setup on our CRD's? Owning 5 Dodge/Cummins rigs, the biggest thing was using a small micron rated filter, but you still need to have ample fuel flow to cool the injection pumps, in the older VP44 pumped Dodges anyway. I know we don't have to worry about injection pumps on these, but will it restrict our fuel flow too much using a 2 micron filter? Just wondering if anyone has done any testing in this regard. I would love to find a bolt on replacement filter set up for my rig, the OEM set up is an air sucker to say the least!!
Author:  oldnavy [ Wed May 23, 2007 1:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: fuel flow
jeep06 wrote:
Since everyone is talking about the Cat 2 micron filter which sounds great, is there a problem using this setup on our CRD's? Owning 5 Dodge/Cummins rigs, the biggest thing was using a small micron rated filter, but you still need to have ample fuel flow to cool the injection pumps, in the older VP44 pumped Dodges anyway. I know we don't have to worry about injection pumps on these, but will it restrict our fuel flow too much using a 2 micron filter? Just wondering if anyone has done any testing in this regard. I would love to find a bolt on replacement filter set up for my rig, the OEM set up is an air sucker to say the least!!
This filter was designed for large Cat V8 twin turbo diesels, with 3 to 5 times the engine size, the CRD will never be able to pull close to that kind of volume of fuel. So do not even worry about will it flow enough fuel. Lifespan on the CRD should be 20,000 miles easy and on the VW TDI's 30,000 was nothing unusual, I cut one open that had 15,000 miles on it with our 1.9L TDI and it was only about 1/3 used.
Author:  LONEPINERON [ Wed May 23, 2007 6:14 pm ]
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Yea he doesn't have it listed at fleetfilters yet you have to call him. The phone # is on the web site. The other link to wix shows the part an specs. Hope this helps LPR
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