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Author:  Bill.Barg [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:17 am ]
Post subject:  crd engine on ebay
see crd engine on ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-06-JE ... 18Q2el1247

interesting to see it out of the chassis
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:38 am ]
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ya, its been around for awhile.

No one seems interested in it at 5500.

Heck for only $1500 you could buy something like my rolled CRD.

Not to mention, that package is essentially worthless because you have no way of knowing if it actually is complete.

Does it have the pedal potentiometer and dash wiring? No? guess what, you aint getting that engine to run without em.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:38 am ]
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The pic shows the harness/ecu/tranny...even the transfercase. For someone that needs them...it is not that bad a deal.
Author:  UFO [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:18 pm ]
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Someone who's converted a Libby to vegetable oil should buy it as a spare. :lol:
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:06 pm ]
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DarbyWalters wrote:
The pic shows the harness/ecu/tranny...even the transfercase. For someone that needs them...it is not that bad a deal.


Ya it shows alot of wiring but in reality thats a reall mess to try and figure out.

Its so hard to place a value on being able to remove and see for yourself where things come from and what needs to be connected to where.
Author:  litton [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:29 pm ]
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Why do I see a diesel Wranger in someones future???
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:31 pm ]
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litton wrote:
Why do I see a diesel Wranger in someones future???


That engine has been on ebay now for a couple of months, thing is you can buy a whole roleld CRD for half that much....and KNOW that you have everything you need to make it run.
Author:  gmctd [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:03 pm ]
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Somebody just snapped it up..................

Me, I gotta new '07 68RFE from there, which is the supersized version of the 545 in the KJ - got one more clutch per pack, got one more gear per planetary, and uses a nearly stand-alone TCM with only a couple lines to the Bosch CP3 Cummins ECM, and looks like those are for the TPS - woohoo! - 'course I've found blatant errors in the FSM's before, but I'm hopeful - oh, yeah, Cummins also gotta 2" larger 13" t\c and much larger shafts than the KJ, but the small improvements speak well for the KJ 545, far as strength and durability go.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:05 pm ]
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hmmm....dieseltoyz you buy it?
Author:  dieseltoyz [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:08 am ]
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Not me..That guy was real proud of that setup. I bought mine at $2200 shipped. If you dont need the trans, the price goes way down. I agree that $5500 was way steep for that setup. If I wanted the trans as well, LKQ has complete pullouts with trans for $3850 shipped.
Author:  Sir Sam [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:14 pm ]
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dieseltoyz wrote:
Not me..That guy was real proud of that setup. I bought mine at $2200 shipped. If you dont need the trans, the price goes way down. I agree that $5500 was way steep for that setup. If I wanted the trans as well, LKQ has complete pullouts with trans for $3850 shipped.


Im still leering of that "complete" verbage, but I'll keep that in mind.
Author:  litton [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:02 pm ]
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With only 11,000 odd built, one wouldn't think they are all that prevalant in yards.
Author:  Reflex [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:31 pm ]
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The 11,000 figure was for the 05 model year from what I have read, I have no idea how many 06's were produced, I know that the 11,000 figure was quoted before I bought mine in Jan of 06 and that production continued until June of 06. They could have sold as many as twice that number, although I'd be the figure is closer to 16-18k.
Author:  danoid [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:54 pm ]
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gmctd wrote:
Somebody just snapped it up..................

Me, I gotta new '07 68RFE from there, which is the supersized version of the 545 in the KJ - got one more clutch per pack, got one more gear per planetary, and uses a nearly stand-alone TCM with only a couple lines to the Bosch CP3 Cummins ECM, and looks like those are for the TPS - woohoo! - 'course I've found blatant errors in the FSM's before, but I'm hopeful - oh, yeah, Cummins also gotta 2" larger 13" t\c and much larger shafts than the KJ, but the small improvements speak well for the KJ 545, far as strength and durability go.


Do you happen to have a stock torque converter laying around from the 545RFE? Does it happen to fit into the 68RFE? (Actually, would a Suncoast fit?) If so, there might be an interesting project in your future. The 68RFE without that honker of a torque converter might not be too hard to fit into a KJ.
Author:  gmctd [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:07 pm ]
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Yes - still have the MAR07 F37 oem 545 t\c from the Suncoast upgrade - the KJ t\c is 11" which completely fills the V8-pattern bellhousing size - the 68RFE has a huge bellhousing for the 13" Cummins t\c - there is absolutely no room in the KJ floorpan for anything that huge, as simply misaligning the transmission wiring harness and the dipstick tube results in crushed harness against the KJ floorpan.

The 545 is already mechanically over-sized for the 2.8, but software limited - it's the sloppy t\c and EMCC and further TCM programming that reduces the thru-put capability - as with the dual-output pump, it's all for efficiency and fuel economy - just needs the Suncoast\equiv t\c and some TCU reprogramming to increase pressures and apply-timing, like when KJ has been towing, firm shifting occurs for some time after removing the trailer till TCU learns to lighten-up - also, in the big 68 TCU, Tow Mode alters the t\c lockup mode for shifting and braking, incl the exhaust brake - get that stuff programmed into the KJ TCU, and you would think you had a totally 'nuther transmission - the Hemi trucks and cars are running 500hp on the KJ 545 with a\m replacement t\c's.

Problem we have is the Bosch CRD ECM, like Dodge\Cummins - DCJ gasser (patooie!) ECM\PCM has been Mitsubishi-based since the late '80's - they use all the sensors and modules and EFI schemes and transmission control schemes derived from the association with Mitsu - the single-board PCM for the Hemi trucks uses the same transmission routines as the separate TCU in the KJ and Cummins - it's the Bosch interface on the CAN buss that hasn't been cracked - I s'pect the '06 KJ's are even worse with that EVS traction control system, with ECM, TCU, and ABS all fighting for control, resulting in a driving experience like that of an old granny.

Yeah, I've been pondering a lot of things, but without constant access to the KJ, I'm not progressing much - and I'm still looking for the DCJ TCU rosetta stone on the 'net.

For the stout of mind and brave of heart, PCS.com offers a totally user-programmable stand-alone TCU, with 545 wiring harness - that would be very handy with the Euro ECM for the manual trans version, so there would be no missing-transmission arguments on the CAN buss, and resulting limp-mode engendering DTC's.

Also pondering the mechanical aspects and comparing part numbers - f'rinstance, pull everything outta the 68, from input shaft and pump to the output shaft and housing, stuff it into the 545 case - replace the KJ mini NV241 with the NV241HD from the '94-'04 Dodge trucks, rework the KJ driveshafts for the larger yokes, have Suncoast build a 11" t\c with the 68\equiv internals for a trans nobody could break.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:53 pm ]
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Your CRD would have the Selec-Trac 242 I believe.
Author:  gmctd [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:04 am ]
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The NV241 is mechanical shift, the 242 is same but electric shift - either way they've been severly miniaturized by DCJ.

'Bout Septober\Octember or so, somebody on here had bought two extra TCM's, trying to outfox MrMoservice and the F31\37 fiasco - ennybody remember who that was? I'm needing to purchase one (or maybe both) for some intense R&D with the 545RFE and the 68RFE from the Dodge camp - also need a transmission wiring harness, if anybody runs across one in a local boneyard - it will be part of the main ECM harness, which will need be pulled from the engine bay (remember the SEGR wiring foto shoot).
Author:  Sir Sam [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:25 am ]
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gmctd wrote:
The NV241 is mechanical shift, the 242 is same but electric shift - either way they've been severly miniaturized by DCJ.

'Bout Septober\Octember or so, somebody on here had bought two extra TCM's, trying to outfox MrMoservice and the F31\37 fiasco - ennybody remember who that was? I'm needing to purchase one (or maybe both) for some intense R&D with the 545RFE and the 68RFE from the Dodge camp - also need a transmission wiring harness, if anybody runs across one in a local boneyard - it will be part of the main ECM harness, which will need be pulled from the engine bay (remember the SEGR wiring foto shoot).


The KJ 242 is an electric shift? What about the 231?
Author:  gmctd [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:27 pm ]
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The numbers indicate size, torque rating, and option - 1st digit is number of speeds, HI only or HI and LO range, 2nd digit is torque rating spec, so far up to 17000lbs with the 271, 3rd digit is shifting option - some of the numbers are specialized versions made for specific marquees, like AMC\Jeep, which were usually with viscous coupling for AWD - some indicate 4wd, some AWD - usually, adjacent numbers like 231\233, 241\242\243, 271\272\273 indicate options within that size, with the base number being mechanical shift, upgraded to electric or vacuum shift, upgraded to auto-shift with viscous fluid coupling for part-time on-the-fly AWD, meaning it can be 2wd or 4wd for on-road use, like the Jeep version of the 241\242 - there are also the full-time AWD versions with no shift capabilities - the Dodge 241 version is mechanically clutched, up to 12000lb rated in the HD version.

Lots of info on the AMC\Jeep and other off-road sites, also the rebuilder's sites, also New Process Gear Division site.
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