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I didn't know that Sasol even made 50ppm diesel.

I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

nursecosmo wrote:

I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

Sulfer makes for some good diesel? How. By increasing the level of soot during combustion and screwing up EGR's sooner?

Bio has a much higher lubricity level than even the old 5000 ppm diesel. It has a way higher cetane rating. And it has barely any level of sulfer in it.

You take a that good diesel with higher sulfer, I'll take a B10 ULSD any day. My semi and my CRD both love it better than the older diesel.

I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel
and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel.

Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul.

mackruss wrote:

No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank.

mackruss wrote:

UFO wrote:

mackruss wrote:

Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff.

mackruss wrote:

UFO wrote:

mackruss wrote:

Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff.

No, no vegetable oil. Get biodiesel, it burns clean in a cold engine, unlike even new vegetable oil.

And my mistake. To get a minimum of 2% for just the lubricity, add a quart (liter) or two per tank.

UFO wrote:

mackruss wrote:

Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff.

No, biodiesel is not veggie oil and diesel mixed. Pure biodiesel contains NO petroleum what so ever.

Biodiesel is veggie oil or tallow (animal fat) which is converted to fuel using a chemical process called "esterfication". It is a process that binds the fats and allows them to settle out into what is called "glycerine". The glycerine is removed, leaving the biodiesel fuel.

Now, I've probably got a few of my t's not crossed and I's not dotted, but that's basically what happens. I'm sure someone will correct what I mistated.

It's really not a difficult thing to make biodiesel, it just requires space, some chemicals, patience, and a little bit of knowledge.

I'd be making biodiesel if I had the room to build a processor.

chadhargis wrote:

Okay so bio-diesel is vegetable oil and no petroleum. Mixing vegetable oil with petroleum diesel is a no no. What then is B50 and what is your ULSD ppm.

Whooaaa steady on there, i can't go to a filling station and pump bio-diesel, i can pump LSD 500 or 50ppm diesel so i'm wanting to know
is bio diesel not vegetable oil and diesel mixed at a ratio of either 20 /50/100?

Author:	mackruss [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:40 pm ]
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I hate to have to ask this question but i just know diesel as LSD 50 PPM. and ULSD at 15PPM. Can someone just explain what the B100 is and B50 i think i've read about on this forum.

Author:	UFO [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:47 pm ]
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B100 is 100% biodiesel. Biodiesel is made from vegetable/animal fats through a chemical process called transesterification, which makes a thin slippery substance with diesel fuel-like properties (auto-ignition point, cetane, lubricity...) Biodiesel can be mixed with diesel fuel in any proportion, so B50 is half biodiesel and half diesel fuel. Mixing biodiesel with diesel improves the cold-flow properties of the biodiesel.

Author:	nursecosmo [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:06 pm ]
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I didn't know that Sasol even made 50ppm diesel.

Author:	mackruss [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:11 pm ]
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nursecosmo wrote: I didn't know that Sasol even made 50ppm diesel. Yes, they were one of the first in SA to market the 50 ppm. BP and Shell also sell the 50.

Author:	nursecosmo [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:04 pm ]
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I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

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Author:	Cowpie1 [ Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:37 pm ]
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nursecosmo wrote: I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process Sulfer makes for some good diesel? How. By increasing the level of soot during combustion and screwing up EGR's sooner? Bio has a much higher lubricity level than even the old 5000 ppm diesel. It has a way higher cetane rating. And it has barely any level of sulfer in it. You take a that good diesel with higher sulfer, I'll take a B10 ULSD any day. My semi and my CRD both love it better than the older diesel.

Author:	mackruss [ Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:42 pm ]
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nursecosmo wrote: I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process Going back to SASOL, their diesel is produced from coal so i assume i would be correct in calling it a fossil fuel.

Author:	nursecosmo [ Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:50 pm ]
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Cowpie1 wrote: nursecosmo wrote: I wonder if they possibly add sulfur after the GTL process? Sulfur makes for some good diesel but is really not good for our lungs or trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process Sulfer makes for some good diesel? How. By increasing the level of soot during combustion and screwing up EGR's sooner? Bio has a much higher lubricity level than even the old 5000 ppm diesel. It has a way higher cetane rating. And it has barely any level of sulfer in it. You take a that good diesel with higher sulfer, I'll take a B10 ULSD any day. My semi and my CRD both love it better than the older diesel. Agreed. Bio is superior to sulfur as a dinodiesel additive but is more costly than adding sulfur. Sulfur does the two things you mentioned, it greatly increases lubricity and it enhances the burn characteristics of diesel. I don;t know if it raises cetane, but it assists with smother longer burning resulting better energy transfer to the piston. The downside like you mentioned is more soot, but some countries don't care about that as much as the US and EU, and if an oil company thinks that they can make another buck by causing a few cancer cases. they are going to do it until the Government makes them change. I'm not saying that Sasol is adding sulfur to their diesel, I was just had an idle thought wondering why they have sulfur in their GTL fuel.

Author:	mackruss [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:56 pm ]
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I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul.

Author:	UFO [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:07 pm ]
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mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank.

Author:	mackruss [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:13 pm ]
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UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank. Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff.

Author:	bdptp73 [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:31 pm ]
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UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank. Adding 2 quarts or 2 liters would be more than 2% bio, so you could make some small batches yourself as a hobby and go from there. I personally use 20 Ounces of 2-stroke oil when I fill up in the winter time and some local stations carry B10-B15 in the summer. Bio is a great lubricator but 2-stroke helps out lubricity also but about half as much as bio.

Author:	UFO [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:42 pm ]
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mackruss wrote: UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank. Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff. No, no vegetable oil. Get biodiesel, it burns clean in a cold engine, unlike even new vegetable oil. And my mistake. To get a minimum of 2% for just the lubricity, add a quart (liter) or two per tank.

Author:	mackruss [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:54 pm ]
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UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank. Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff. No, no vegetable oil. Get biodiesel, it burns clean in a cold engine, unlike even new vegetable oil. And my mistake. To get a minimum of 2% for just the lubricity, add a quart (liter) or two per tank. Whooaaa steady on there, i can't go to a filling station and pump bio-diesel, i can pump LSD 500 or 50ppm diesel so i'm wanting to know is bio diesel not vegetable oil and diesel mixed at a ratio of either 20 /50/100?

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Author:	chadhargis [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:03 pm ]
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No, biodiesel is not veggie oil and diesel mixed. Pure biodiesel contains NO petroleum what so ever. Biodiesel is veggie oil or tallow (animal fat) which is converted to fuel using a chemical process called "esterfication". It is a process that binds the fats and allows them to settle out into what is called "glycerine". The glycerine is removed, leaving the biodiesel fuel. Now, I've probably got a few of my t's not crossed and I's not dotted, but that's basically what happens. I'm sure someone will correct what I mistated. It's really not a difficult thing to make biodiesel, it just requires space, some chemicals, patience, and a little bit of knowledge. I'd be making biodiesel if I had the room to build a processor.

Author:	nursecosmo [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:14 pm ]
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mackruss wrote: UFO wrote: mackruss wrote: I was doing my research today ( GMTCD will like that ) on Bio-Diesel and learnt that Canola oil is the best for manufacturing bio-diesel. Two questions and really go easy on me as I'm still learning about diesel fuels, do i need to do any conversion to my VM Motori to run on bio-diesel and secondly, i assume that adding Canola oil to my 50ppm dino diesel will only improve on the lubricity, run a bit cleaner and not smell so foul. No conversion to burn "biodiesel", but do not confuse it with vegetable oil. Do not add vegetable oil to your Common Rail Diesel -- it is not an indirect low injection pressure Benz oelmotor that will burn oil-based paint. 2% biodeisel will give you all the lubricity you need, 1.5 to 2 gallons per tank. Are you saying it's okay to add Canola oil but only a limited amount per tank. I'm not producing the stuff at home, i'm reffering to a bottle from the supermarket, clean stuff. Your CRD will NOT be able to tell the difference in viscosity with up to 5% Veg oil (in my experience it can not tell the difference up to 25% at temperatures above freezing). Particulates will be reduced and it has even better lubricity than 2 stroke oil. The extra O2 contained in the Veg oil helps with a clean burn just the same as BD. Here is a nice collection of university studies and articles pertaining to the use of Veg oil and BD blends with diesel fuel. http://www.frybrid.com/docs.htm Just remember that as opposed to Biodiesel, if you add raw vegetable oil and there is any moisture in the tank you WILL get algae.

Author:	mackruss [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:15 pm ]
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chadhargis wrote: No, biodiesel is not veggie oil and diesel mixed. Pure biodiesel contains NO petroleum what so ever. Biodiesel is veggie oil or tallow (animal fat) which is converted to fuel using a chemical process called "esterfication". It is a process that binds the fats and allows them to settle out into what is called "glycerine". The glycerine is removed, leaving the biodiesel fuel. Now, I've probably got a few of my t's not crossed and I's not dotted, but that's basically what happens. I'm sure someone will correct what I mistated. It's really not a difficult thing to make biodiesel, it just requires space, some chemicals, patience, and a little bit of knowledge. I'd be making biodiesel if I had the room to build a processor. Okay so bio-diesel is vegetable oil and no petroleum. Mixing vegetable oil with petroleum diesel is a no no. What then is B50 and what is your ULSD ppm.

Author:	UFO [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:15 pm ]
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It's easy to make a little bit of biodiesel in your kitchen using the World Famous Dr. Pepper method. http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/makingasmallbatch/

Author:	UFO [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:17 pm ]
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mackruss wrote: chadhargis wrote: No, biodiesel is not veggie oil and diesel mixed. Pure biodiesel contains NO petroleum what so ever. Biodiesel is veggie oil or tallow (animal fat) which is converted to fuel using a chemical process called "esterfication". It is a process that binds the fats and allows them to settle out into what is called "glycerine". The glycerine is removed, leaving the biodiesel fuel. Now, I've probably got a few of my t's not crossed and I's not dotted, but that's basically what happens. I'm sure someone will correct what I mistated. It's really not a difficult thing to make biodiesel, it just requires space, some chemicals, patience, and a little bit of knowledge. I'd be making biodiesel if I had the room to build a processor. Okay so bio-diesel is vegetable oil and no petroleum. Mixing vegetable oil with petroleum diesel is a no no. What then is B50 and what is your ULSD ppm. No, biodiesel is NOT vegetable oil, completely different molecule. B50 is 50% biodiesel, 50% petroleum diesel. Biodiesel can be mixed in any percentage of petroleum diesel or kerosene, it is a diesel fuel in it's own right. The ULSD in the US is 15 ppm sulfur. BTW, biodiesel contains no sulfur.

Author:	nursecosmo [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:21 pm ]
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mackruss wrote: Whooaaa steady on there, i can't go to a filling station and pump bio-diesel, i can pump LSD 500 or 50ppm diesel so i'm wanting to know is bio diesel not vegetable oil and diesel mixed at a ratio of either 20 /50/100? Here is a very brief description of what Biodiesel is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/biodiesel