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SO, it has come to that time to replace the TB. How much should I get sunk from the dealer on this? I do not have the tools I need so I have to take it to the dealer.

Maybe the dealer did say 160,000kms, for some reason the 60K stuck in my head. I probably should have read the OM before I posted. Well cool then I can look at getting a Suncoast TC instead. KMS-Miles it is confusing when come back across the pond. LOL :lol:

Or how about this one to bake your brain:

Is that "lifetime" as in the lifetime of the WARRANTY on the car... Or "lifetime" as in the expected 500k mile lifespan of the block?

The test engine in that article has racked up 240,000 KM... or 150k miles. They are calling that a "lifespan of the engine" which isn't accurate. If they said it was the lifespan of the average American ownership... That might be more accurate. 150k miles is good, don't get me wrong. But calling a replaceable part "lifetime" is dangerous. It will last long enough to just about guarantee that the dealers won't have to ever replace one under warranty, which is exactly what the OEMs want - They want to offer a 100k mile warranty on a car, and never have to pay out a penny for a repair, assuming that the owner does NOTHING but fuel and drive. Not even oil changes.

That was GM's market plan for YEARS, probably still is. They had in mind that if they could engineer a car to survive (just barely) without even an oil change for 100k miles, THEN toss a rod at 100,001... That was OK with them. I'm not saying that it is a good or bad plan, b/c with normal maintenance, how long could that same engine survive?

There has been a transition to kevlar timing belts in the industry. I have no idea how widespread the usage is now.

1999.5: 40k miles with the auto, 60k manual.
That is on anything VW made with the 1.9l TDI. No idea why the longer interval for the SAME MOTOR but a different transmission

The automatic has bigger injectors requiring a injection pump with more volume and more stress on the belt.

Author:	jinstall [ Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:48 pm ]
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SO, it has come to that time to replace the TB. How much should I get sunk from the dealer on this? I do not have the tools I need so I have to take it to the dealer.

Author:	ATXKJ [ Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:53 pm ]
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Why? - my manual says 100,000 miles 160,000 km's

Author:	Sir Sam [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:28 am ]
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jinstall wrote: SO, it has come to that time to replace the TB. How much should I get sunk from the dealer on this? I do not have the tools I need so I have to take it to the dealer. Decided to get a 40k mile jump start huh?

Author:	BlackLibertyCRD [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:48 am ]
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x3 on 100K

Author:	kjfishman [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:30 pm ]
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x4 on 1ook miles

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Author:	jinstall [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:59 pm ]
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Maybe the dealer did say 160,000kms, for some reason the 60K stuck in my head. I probably should have read the OM before I posted. Well cool then I can look at getting a Suncoast TC instead. KMS-Miles it is confusing when come back across the pond. LOL

Author:	Sir Sam [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:56 pm ]
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jinstall wrote: Maybe the dealer did say 160,000kms, for some reason the 60K stuck in my head. I probably should have read the OM before I posted. Well cool then I can look at getting a Suncoast TC instead. KMS-Miles it is confusing when come back across the pond. LOL On my nissans the factory spec is 60k miles, or 100,000 km, but to confuse the issue there was a misprint in the canadian service manuals that says 100,000 miles....... now that causes problems.

Author:	geordi [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:49 pm ]
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Or how about this one to bake your brain: 1999.5: 40k miles with the auto, 60k manual. 2000: 40k, 60k 2001: 40k, 60k 2002: 60k, 80k 2003: 80k, 100k 2004: 100k, 100k That is on anything VW made with the 1.9l TDI. No idea why the longer interval for the SAME MOTOR but a different transmission, but the ridiculously short intervals were b/c they obviously had NO faith in their own design. They upped it when they changed (in order, one per year) the small idler pulley bearing, the large idler pulley bearing, the tensioner, and finally the belt material itself. Stupid. I had the original 40k design on an auto, and put 80k on it before I changed it out. $1000 at the stealership. And I had to FIGHT with them to get them to install all the 2004 parts so that I had the full 100k kit. They didn't even want to change the water pump, which would have required pulling the belt again when it failed. Idiots.

Author:	Joe Romas [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:46 am ]
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geordi wrote: Or how about this one to bake your brain: 1999.5: 40k miles with the auto, 60k manual. That is on anything VW made with the 1.9l TDI. No idea why the longer interval for the SAME MOTOR but a different transmission The automatic has bigger injectors requiring a injection pump with more volume and more stress on the belt. They upped it when they changed (in order, one per year) the small idler pulley bearing, the large idler pulley bearing, the tensioner, and finally the belt material itself. Stupid. Conti (Contenental Rubber) has developed a "Life time" Timing Belt for the new TDI's It's called constant improvements

Author:	geordi [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:29 pm ]
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Is that "lifetime" as in the lifetime of the WARRANTY on the car... Or "lifetime" as in the expected 500k mile lifespan of the block? I seriously doubt it is the latter. VW had "lifetime" transmission fluid in the auto box too... It was the "lifetime" of the warranty, nothing more. And at the end of the warranty, if you hadn't changed that fluid by about halfway through... You would be just about ready for the trans to fail, requiring a completely new one. Great design. Like putting the dipstick in the drain plug. That was the only thing I didn't like about that car, the cost and lack of serviceability on the transmission.

Author:	Joe Romas [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:57 pm ]
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geordi wrote: Is that "lifetime" as in the lifetime of the WARRANTY on the car... Or "lifetime" as in the expected 500k mile lifespan of the block? Here's the link: http://www.atzonline.com/index.php;do=s ... 8290692224 There's also a thread going over on the tdiclub

Author:	geordi [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:37 pm ]
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The test engine in that article has racked up 240,000 KM... or 150k miles. They are calling that a "lifespan of the engine" which isn't accurate. If they said it was the lifespan of the average American ownership... That might be more accurate. 150k miles is good, don't get me wrong. But calling a replaceable part "lifetime" is dangerous. It will last long enough to just about guarantee that the dealers won't have to ever replace one under warranty, which is exactly what the OEMs want - They want to offer a 100k mile warranty on a car, and never have to pay out a penny for a repair, assuming that the owner does NOTHING but fuel and drive. Not even oil changes. That was GM's market plan for YEARS, probably still is. They had in mind that if they could engineer a car to survive (just barely) without even an oil change for 100k miles, THEN toss a rod at 100,001... That was OK with them. I'm not saying that it is a good or bad plan, b/c with normal maintenance, how long could that same engine survive?

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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geordi wrote: The test engine in that article has racked up 240,000 KM... or 150k miles. They are calling that a "lifespan of the engine" which isn't accurate. If they said it was the lifespan of the average American ownership... That might be more accurate. 150k miles is good, don't get me wrong. But calling a replaceable part "lifetime" is dangerous. It will last long enough to just about guarantee that the dealers won't have to ever replace one under warranty, which is exactly what the OEMs want - They want to offer a 100k mile warranty on a car, and never have to pay out a penny for a repair, assuming that the owner does NOTHING but fuel and drive. Not even oil changes. That was GM's market plan for YEARS, probably still is. They had in mind that if they could engineer a car to survive (just barely) without even an oil change for 100k miles, THEN toss a rod at 100,001... That was OK with them. I'm not saying that it is a good or bad plan, b/c with normal maintenance, how long could that same engine survive? well since GM can't figure out how to keep gaskets from leaking I'd say not much longer,if it were a GM.Stupid Dexacool.

Author:	geordi [ Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:21 pm ]
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Hmm, true. Then again, if it is a GM product... Do you really WANT it to last, so that you are stuck with it as the owner? They have always been kinda "meh" on the excitement level.

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Author:	Timmaah! [ Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:34 am ]
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There has been a transition to kevlar timing belts in the industry. I have no idea how widespread the usage is now.

Author:	mOlson [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:48 pm ]
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The jump to 100k miles for VW belt intervals is the result of California requireing major engine service to be no less than 100k miles. On the 1.8 Passat, for example, one year the recommended interval was 80k miles and the next model year 100k miles with no design changes.

Author:	UFO [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:54 pm ]
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Timmaah! wrote: There has been a transition to kevlar timing belts in the industry. I have no idea how widespread the usage is now. From what I hear on the VW sites, it's not the belt that wears out before 100k miles, it's the rollers and tensioner.

Author:	MTB_TDI [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:19 pm ]
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Joe Romas wrote: 1999.5: 40k miles with the auto, 60k manual. That is on anything VW made with the 1.9l TDI. No idea why the longer interval for the SAME MOTOR but a different transmission The automatic has bigger injectors requiring a injection pump with more volume and more stress on the belt. actually the autos have an 11mm injection pump and smaller injector nozzles. That would give you the same flow as a muanual with a smaller injection pump and larger nozzles. That is why the people switching to larger nozzles on thier manual tranny cars sell the stock nozzles to the auto guys. The auto injection pump is an upgrade for the manual trannied cars. (11mm injection pump from a 10mm pump). Bigger pump and bigger holes =

Author:	bbertram [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:38 pm ]
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Replaced timing belt at 150,000 kms = 93,000 or so miles. The darn dealer sure knows how to soak you, expect a big bill and change everything you can when you are in there. You do not want to get back in there for a long time, lol.

Author:	jinstall [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:09 pm ]
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How much was it?