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Author:  click23 [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Fan Clutch Part number

I have searched the forum and my parts fiche, but I cannot locate the part number for the fan clutch. If anyone knows please let me know. Thanks!

Author:  GreenDieselEngineering [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

The diesel fan clutch is part# 55037733AD and is $148.48 through MPA. The parts fische has the part number listed, but there is no picture to go along with it and easy to pass over.

Author:  click23 [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Thanks a bunch! It is listed as "DRIVE, Fan, Viscous" no wonder I didn't find it.

Author:  DOC4444 [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Apparently the fan clutch can be damaged if it sits in a position other than the way it sits in the vehicle. I bought one 18 months ago and I believe it does not work, possibly being damaged during shipping. So, always keep it upright as soon as you get it. My suggestion is to heat it up in an oven before installation to the temp it is supposed to lock at and make sure yours is good. (Sorry, don't have that temp handy.) Also, search the old posts about installation. Someone did a bunch of cutting of the fan shroud that is absolutely NOT needed. My response in that thread indicates how simple it is. No trick tools are needed, just a crescent wrench for the big nut and a box wrench with a nut and bolt to lock the assembly so you can hit the end of the crescent with a hammer to loosen the big nut. Pay close attention to the threads on the NEW clutch to make sure you attempt to loosen it in the right direction.

DOC

Author:  irunmiles [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Is the fan clutch becoming a common replacement item for our CRD's? Mine failed right after I had a massive "air-in-the-fuel line buck". It made so much noise, I thought I was experiencing major engine failure. The experience convinced me to finally add a fuel pump. Bucking problem solved.

Author:  click23 [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

DOC4444 wrote:
Apparently the fan clutch can be damaged if it sits in a position other than the way it sits in the vehicle. I bought one 18 months ago and I believe it does not work, possibly being damaged during shipping. So, always keep it upright as soon as you get it. My suggestion is to heat it up in an oven before installation to the temp it is supposed to lock at and make sure yours is good. (Sorry, don't have that temp handy.) Also, search the old posts about installation. Someone did a bunch of cutting of the fan shroud that is absolutely NOT needed. My response in that thread indicates how simple it is. No trick tools are needed, just a crescent wrench for the big nut and a box wrench with a nut and bolt to lock the assembly so you can hit the end of the crescent with a hammer to loosen the big nut. Pay close attention to the threads on the NEW clutch to make sure you attempt to loosen it in the right direction.

DOC



Thanks for the suggestion, but I plan on doing mine when I change the timing belt.

Author:  LibertyCRD [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

I don't have this problem. I took my clutch, fan, the whole nine yards off and tossed it. :mrgreen:

95 degree weather doesn't bother my Jeep with the fan gone, so I'm not sure how useful it really is. I guess if you tow all the time I'd keep the fan.

Author:  DOC4444 [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

A good functioning engine driven fan is ESSENTIAl when towing with a CRD.

DOC

Author:  click23 [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

LibertyCRD wrote:
I don't have this problem. I took my clutch, fan, the whole nine yards off and tossed it. :mrgreen:

95 degree weather doesn't bother my Jeep with the fan gone, so I'm not sure how useful it really is. I guess if you tow all the time I'd keep the fan.


It is not a problem I see everyday. But when on these two trips it started to get hot, about 5/8-3/4. Not sure if that is normal or not, but I have never heard the fan kick in.(the electrical one runs though) On both I was running 20-45 mpg. It never happens at interstate speed no matter how much up hill and never around town in stop and go, only at mid speed up hil

First trip
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Second trip

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The number to the right of the arrow is the grade at that point

Author:  kapalczynski [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

For less than 100.00 you can get rid of that crappy fan clutch and buy the adapter and a flex fan. MUCH better cooling and it will never break again. My temps sit right at the operating temp and never climb.


Heres the simple CHEAPER, solution that you will never have to replace again:

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I call it the FFF Mod - Fixed Flex Fan.

Some of you may have followed this a little on the thermostat ideas thread. I have now got the setup created, so I started a new topic for this:

Heres the basic background.

The fan clutch design on the CRD's seems to wear out rather quickly. In fact, the fan clutch on many of the CRD's has gone out, and most of us didn't have any clue until we went up a hill or towed for the first time in awhile and started running a little hot. Then you either baby it home or are stuck in the middle of nowhere and a replacement part has to be ordered.

Here's my solution:

I just put on the new flex fan and adapter setup I came up with. had to make a spacer (machined 2 1" washers out to 31 mm to allow clearance of fan blades - were too close to accessories). It looks sweet and DEFINITELY moves a lot more air than the factory fan/clutch even when it was locked up.

Definitely louder than a stock fan/clutch that is not locked, but sounds pretty mean and powerful. About the same noise as a fan and clutch thats locked up, a little bit of a smooth whine at high rpms, loudest at 3k rpms, starts to flex at 3K RPM's, probably half flexed at 4K rpms. Quites down a bit from 3k as it reaches towards 4k rpm peak.

I probably should have taken some photos out of the car, but here it is installed. It weighs almost exactly half the weight of the factory setup and is MUCH less rotational mass since it is not as heavy at the outer area of rotation either. All the mass in the flex fan/adapter is very close to the center of the rotational area so it will be interesting to compare economy on this next tank. I am hoping the greatly reduced rotational mass economy gain will outweigh the small loss in economy that will occur due to the fan having a direct connection and not on a clutch setup.

If you tow or are worried about staying cool, this will definitely move much more air and be more reliable than the fan/clutch setup and IT WILL NEVER GO OUT. Most fan clutches on all our jeeps already have (mine was out since I purchased the vehicle at 78K miles). I didn't even know mine was toast untill I pulled it out and found that after a couple turns with my hand it moved freely. This seems to be the case with most of us...we find out when we tow or pull a hill that it was already bad.

After an oven test of 220* and an hour later it still failed and did not grip any different than when cold. It would rotate completely free after a few turns, and could be spun and spin several rotations freely. Thankfully our jeeps cooling system is fairly robust and in the past I only had one issue getting a little hot, even with a bad fan clutch. That is why I wasn't sure it was bad until it was removed and tested.

Anyway, a new fan clutch (just the clutch) is $142.00 from Jeep plus shipping and may go out again in several thousand miles. The problem is you may not know it is bad until you are going up a hill or towing and start overheating as was my case.

This setup comes in at the $100.00 mark including, the Flex fan, the spacer, the adapter, and all hardware and will not go out again.

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Here is a profile view:
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Part numbers and prices to complete the kit:

**EDIT** You will also need 4 bolts and 4 lock washers. I will get the sizes for you and update tomorrow.

Flex Fan - Imperial Part number 223619 - 19" reverse direction High flow flex fan(Advanced auto - free shipping from local store - $28.99):
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Adapter - Flex-a-lite part number 851 - 30 mm x 1.5 pitch flex fan adapter (Amazon.com - $43.07 - free shipping):
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Washers (used as spacer to allow clearance between engine accessories) - McMaster-Carr part number 93849A112 - (2 needed) (mcmastercarr.com - $4.58 each-2 needed plus shipping cost):
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Total cost about $100. Cheaper than a fan clutch alone. :D

Author:  click23 [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Anyone else have a pain in the :furious: getting this thing off. It has right hand treads right???? I tried docs method of using the engine bracket and a wrench. This really locks it down, but no matter how much pulling or banging with a hammer would loosen it. :banghead: At one point I thought the wrench locking the pulley was going to break. I'm going to stop by get a piece of pipe to use as a breaker bar.

Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Your local parts store may have a tool loaner program that will loosen your fan clutch. Otherwise your stuck with buying the correct tools. There is two parts, one the hold the pulley and the other to remove the fan clutch

Author:  racertracer [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Rock auto has a fan clutch for our CRD for $50.00...

It's a HAYDEN Part # 2905


http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php

Author:  click23 [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

racertracer wrote:
Rock auto has a fan clutch for our CRD for $50.00...

It's a HAYDEN Part # 2905


http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php


Man I wish I had found that a month ago


BlackLibertyCRD wrote:
Your local parts store may have a tool loaner program that will loosen your fan clutch. Otherwise your stuck with buying the correct tools. There is two parts, one the hold the pulley and the other to remove the fan clutch


Other than the slight flex of the wrench, I do not see how that loaner tool could work better than docs method, it really locks the pulley down. With a better quality wrench I do not think I would see the flex that I am seeing.

Author:  Squeeto [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

click23 wrote:
...I do not see how that loaner tool could work better than docs method, it really locks the pulley down.


When you get the clutch off, please remember which way you banged the cresent wrench for the big nut.

Also, I just tried this idea and the pulley holes are verticle (now). Can I turn the engine over on this nut to get a better angle for this open/box wrench trick?

Author:  DOC4444 [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

I originally tried loaner tools from two different auto parts stores and none would work. That's when I developed the "box wrench, bolt and nut" approach. If you can't loosen the fan clutch nut with this method whacking a big crescent wrench with a big hammer, I am concerned that you are going in the wrong direction. Recheck the threads on your new fan clutch to be sure.

DOC

Author:  click23 [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Doc, I had the same concerns, I checked the threads a half a dozen times before I started, and about a dozen after I read your post. I was turning it the right way, it was just on very tight.

I found something to use as a cheater bar. I torqued it down and then started banging it with the hammer. After about a dozen or so blows and it finally let go.

Author:  Squeeto [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

click23 wrote:
Doc, I had the same concerns, I checked the threads a half a dozen times before I started, and about a dozen after I read your post. I was turning it the right way, it was just on very tight.

I found something to use as a cheater bar. I torqued it down and then started banging it with the hammer. After about a dozen or so blows and it finally let go.


Bang cheater bar left or right?

Author:  BlackLibertyCRD [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

click23 wrote:


BlackLibertyCRD wrote:
Your local parts store may have a tool loaner program that will loosen your fan clutch. Otherwise your stuck with buying the correct tools. There is two parts, one the hold the pulley and the other to remove the fan clutch


Other than the slight flex of the wrench, I do not see how that loaner tool could work better than docs method, it really locks the pulley down. With a better quality wrench I do not think I would see the flex that I am seeing.


Believe me, you don't have to bang if you use the right tools. Just attached your long 1/2 breaker bar for more leverage. :2cents:

Author:  click23 [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fan Clutch Part number

Squeeto wrote:
click23 wrote:
Doc, I had the same concerns, I checked the threads a half a dozen times before I started, and about a dozen after I read your post. I was turning it the right way, it was just on very tight.

I found something to use as a cheater bar. I torqued it down and then started banging it with the hammer. After about a dozen or so blows and it finally let go.


Bang cheater bar left or right?


To the left, it has right hand treads.

Thanks again doc for your suggestions, there was no need in trimming the shroud and your and your "box wrench, bolt and nut" method really locked the pulley down. I think part of my problem was that my big crescent wrench i was only long enough that the end of the handle came up about 1/4" below the shroud, but even with about a 25" extension I still had to hit it with a hammer. I have concluded that a gorilla somehow entered the Jeep factory and then for some reason decided to tightened my fan clutch with a 5 foot wrench.

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