Diesel Fuel Lubricity Additives Study Results

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:31 am

Diesel Fuel Lubricity Additives Study Results

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_ ... e_test.pdf

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

Very interesting. My beloved Stanadyne didn't do so well. Where do you get that Opti-Lube stuff?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:22 am

Tinman wrote:

Very interesting. My beloved Stanadyne didn't do so well. Where do you get that Opti-Lube stuff?

http://www.opti-lube.com/orders.htm

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:19 pm

It later came out that Opit-Lube was tipped off in advance and their handed over sample was not a random bought off the shelf sample like the other vendors. Therefore, this is not a blind test. Eliminate Opti-Lube and review the results, but keep in mind, this is only one test.
In my line of work the testing game is played all the time. Sludge Filter Belt Press manufactures will tighten up the belt to squeeze the sludge dryer than is commonly done by operators to exceed the Engineer's requirements. When the test is done, the belt tension is loosened up, never to be run that tight again.

dkenny · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:50 pm

Way to GO biodiesel?
at 2% it did better all the rest!! ALL THE REST!!

oh and our Jeeps came with 5% from the factory...

so why mess with the rest..unless it too cold.. but it has to be really cold for 2% to gel..25% around where I live is good enough for all winter with temps into the teens over night. sure this is specific to the blend in my biodiesel..but I know mine is not made from 100% soy either. think peanut and higher melting points..

-dkenny

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 pm

dkenny wrote:

Way to GO biodiesel?
at 2% it did better all the rest!! ALL THE REST!!

Amen Brother....... :mrgreen:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:57 pm

I finally found a Love's truck stop about 15 miles from my house that has "B5" stickers on their pumps. I think I'll hit that station more often now after reading this study.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:19 pm

Most of what I find is either premium with lubricant or B5-B20.
I stay away from Citgo it foams so much and delivers lousy mileage.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:25 pm

Simoco stations on the pa turnpike that I have been to all all b2 or higher

bakersoil · **Joined:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:43 am **Posts:** 68

What a crock. Look at the ratios. Run them all at the same ratio and list the report.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:16 pm

bakersoil wrote:

What a crock. Look at the ratios. Run them all at the same ratio and list the report.

They tested the ratios as recommended by the manufacturer, so equal ratios are not relevant in this study.

tulsa · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:30 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Diesel Fuel Lubricity Additives Study Results

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_ ... e_test.pdf

Isn't this the same article there was a long discussion on back in December, 07?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:04 am

tulsa wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Diesel Fuel Lubricity Additives Study Results

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_ ... e_test.pdf

Isn't this the same article there was a long discussion on back in December, 07?

Hey Lewis, long time no see……….. In regards to your question, I’ve seen these test results from time to time posted on several forums. I’m not sure if these test results were ever posted here, so I decided to post it for those who haven’t been exposed to such data. Now that I think about it, I do remember posting some data on Wal-Mart’s Super Tech 2 Stroke “ashless” TCw3 some time ago.

Now that we moved back to New Mexico, I load up on B100 every time I go to Albuquerque and later mix my own fuel additive. :pepper:

Hey Lewis, instead of coming out to Kansas for pheasant hunting, you can come out to NM for an Elk hunt.

UFO · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:44 am

warp2diesel wrote:

It later came out that Opit-Lube was tipped off in advance and their handed over sample was not a random bought off the shelf sample like the other vendors. Therefore, this is not a blind test. Eliminate Opti-Lube and review the results, but keep in mind, this is only one test.
In my line of work the testing game is played all the time. Sludge Filter Belt Press manufactures will tighten up the belt to squeeze the sludge dryer than is commonly done by operators to exceed the Engineer's requirements. When the test is done, the belt tension is loosened up, never to be run that tight again.

That study has been out for years and is generally accepted as a fair test; this is the first time I have heard this accusation.. Can you please back your assertion that Optilube cheated?

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:53 pm

From the pd linked:

Quote:

Each additive tested was obtained independently via internet or over the
counter purchases. The only exceptions were Opti-Lube XPD and the biodiesel
sample. The reason for this is because Opti-Lube XPD additive was
considered “experimental” at the time of test enrollment and was not yet on
the market. It was sent directly from Opti-Lube company.

The author of the document just means to take the XPD results with a grain of salt, since it was not an off-the-shelf purchase. I wouldn't read into it that opti-lube cheated.

UFO · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:44 pm

CATCRD wrote:

From the pd linked:

Quote:

Each additive tested was obtained independently via internet or over the
counter purchases. The only exceptions were Opti-Lube XPD and the biodiesel
sample. The reason for this is because Opti-Lube XPD additive was
considered “experimental” at the time of test enrollment and was not yet on
the market. It was sent directly from Opti-Lube company.

The author of the document just means to take the XPD results with a grain of salt, since it was not an off-the-shelf purchase. I wouldn't read into it that opti-lube cheated.

I apologize, it seemed to be the implication that Optilube supplied something different specifically for the test. I'm not sure how that can cast any part of the test in doubt; The test results speak for themselves and seemed to be completely objective.

grsjax · **Joined:** Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:26 pm **Posts:** 61

Opti-lube is still referencing this study on their website. I would think if there was evidence they cheated they wouldn't be doing that. Just my .02.

yakers · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:52 pm

Is there any advantage to putting in less than the recommended additive? If I just add a few ounces of WM 2cycle oil will that help a little? I am not as precise as some here, I keep a bottle of oil handy & toss in a few ounces every fill up but don't pay much attention to precise measurements.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:54 pm

yakers wrote:

Is there any advantage to putting in less than the recommended additive? If I just add a few ounces of WM 2cycle oil will that help a little? I am not as precise as some here, I keep a bottle of oil handy & toss in a few ounces every fill up but don't pay much attention to precise measurements.

As long as you're adding 1/2 oz of TCw3 per gallon, you should reap the benefits. My first choice would be Biodiesel if you can find it. Keep in mind that you may be adding unwanted contaminants to your fuel by running the TCw3.

tulsa · **Posted:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:52 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

tulsa wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Diesel Fuel Lubricity Additives Study Results

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_ ... e_test.pdf

Isn't this the same article there was a long discussion on back in December, 07?

Hey Lewis, long time no see……….. In regards to your question, I’ve seen these test results from time to time posted on several forums. I’m not sure if these test results were ever posted here, so I decided to post it for those who haven’t been exposed to such data. Now that I think about it, I do remember posting some data on Wal-Mart’s Super Tech 2 Stroke “ashless” TCw3 some time ago.

Now that we moved back to New Mexico, I load up on B100 every time I go to Albuquerque and later mix my own fuel additive. :pepper:

Cleaning pheasants is unpleasant enough, dragging an elk out of the mountains is more than I want to consider. Are you living full time in NM now?

Hey Lewis, instead of coming out to Kansas for pheasant hunting, you can come out to NM for an Elk hunt.

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