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Author:  striperman36 [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:41 am ]
Post subject:  Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

I've read in several threads where the colder air you can take in the better gas mileage performance you will get. However, on the reverse I've also read of taking in warmed air from the engine compartment and getting significantly better gas mileage performance.

Is there a middle ground? Does the preference change at some temperature point?

What do people do and how do they see it changing their performance, either mpg, my primary focus and power/torque?

Bill

Author:  LibertyCRD [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

Diesels run better when warm. There is no such thing as a true "cold air" intake unless you install a snorkle. In my opinion, an intake system isn't going to do crap for the CRD. Just let it run warm and it'll be happy.

Author:  striperman36 [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

so could you actually block off the grill and run hotter even in the summer to get better mileage?

Author:  warp2diesel [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

Run it the way it is, the turbo will heat it up and the inter cooler will cool it down. It takes extremely cold weather to cause any issues. Unless you live in the far North, high Altitude, Alaska, or Canada you should not need to block off the radiator. If you live in one of those areas the people who live there should know all the options if there are any better than a piece of cardboard.
In a perfect situation, most Diesels prefer 60F, enjoy that when it happens.
Some of use use fuel coolers to enhance the lubricity of the diesel and reduce the power loss in hot conditions.
I have found out the fuel heater is useless at any temp over -10F, even with my over kill fuel cooler that is twice the size needed.
If you want to experiment with running a diesel engine hotter, pick one that is bullet proof like an old Mercedes inline engine with a cast iron head. What some have done on those old beasts is run straight Propylene Glycol, boiled out all the water (just keep adding to the cooling system until you need to quit adding more), run a ZERO pressure radiator cap, and rig up a 250F to 275F thermostat. I don't know what engine oil they use, but the fuel economy goes up. Cummins built a test engine out of ceramic that had no cooling system for the Military, have not heard any more on that one. Doing this on an aluminum head engine is risky. GDE discussed running higher temps, but you should talk to them if you want to give that a try.

Author:  striperman36 [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

warp2diesel wrote:
Run it the way it is, the turbo will heat it up and the inter cooler will cool it down. It takes extremely cold weather to cause any issues. Unless you live in the far North, high Altitude, Alaska, or Canada you should not need to block off the radiator. If you live in one of those areas the people who live there should know all the options if there are any better than a piece of cardboard.
In a perfect situation, most Diesels prefer 60F, enjoy that when it happens.
Some of use use fuel coolers to enhance the lubricity of the diesel and reduce the power loss in hot conditions.
I have found out the fuel heater is useless at any temp over -10F, even with my over kill fuel cooler that is twice the size needed.
If you want to experiment with running a diesel engine hotter, pick one that is bullet proof like an old Mercedes inline engine with a cast iron head. What some have done on those old beasts is run straight Propylene Glycol, boiled out all the water (just keep adding to the cooling system until you need to quit adding more), run a ZERO pressure radiator cap, and rig up a 250F to 275F thermostat. I don't know what engine oil they use, but the fuel economy goes up. Cummins built a test engine out of ceramic that had no cooling system for the Military, have not heard any more on that one. Doing this on an aluminum head engine is risky. GDE discussed running higher temps, but you should talk to them if you want to give that a try.


Great, Thanks, I'll disconnect my Hockey Puck, as I have never seen -10 here in SE MASS in 25 years of living up here. One less thing to worry about.
And no I don't want to mess with high temp engines, playing with Aluminium engines, I'll stick with putting in the oil drain and that's it.

Author:  salden77 [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hot(Warmer) Air vs Cold Air Intake in winter time

i think more air flow would benefit the CRD if you have a programmer or tune, but colder air like everyone else says wont do anything for you since the turbo charger just heats it right back up again and then sends it to the intercooler to be cooled again

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