To sell or not to sell that is the question

orionpps · **Joined:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:31 pm **Posts:** 54

So the wife wants to sell the 06 CRD. I love my ride..I got a great deal on it. paid $5,000 a few months ago with 77k on it. I knew it needed some work, and took it to the dealer all its dash lights where on and it ran like crap, all she needed a new PKM and egr and wheel speed sensors. $1700 later she was fixed and runs great. The wife thinks we need something bigger and says it costs just as much if not more to put Diesel in it so any added mileage is not a benefit. Also it cost alot more to fix anything in this ride when you tell the shop its is a diesel and then finding someone to work on it is another chore. The wife found out that they don't make these in the US anymore and is afraid we wont be able to get parts and will be to expensive to fix. I'm thinking of selling her for $12k..NADA is 14,700 retail...what are your thoughts. I cant replace her with anything comparable for the money. I need 4x4 4 doors and something that gets good gas mileage...any ideas can anyone give me some ammo to keep her...or if I where to sell it..what to replace it with?

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:59 pm

orionpps wrote:

I cant replace her with anything comparable for the money.

The wife or the Jeep? (just clarifying........... wives are really expensive to replace.....)

If you do the math - you actually have to put a lot of miles on for the Jeep to be cost effective. The parts question is valid - however they're in Europe and Australia so - worst case is extra shipping.

however there's nothing else that drives like it, and nothing that could replace it.

Ned · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:25 pm **Posts:** 12

Dont sell it, get the echo tune from green diesel and keep the oil changed and enjoy thousand of trouble free miles, really though this is the most maneuverable ,reliable , economical , ect vehicle available in our country and you paid half of what most of our small yet elite class of crd owners paid, if you sell and go to gas a newer 4/4 , 4 door whatever aint gonna be as cheap and will add up 1000's in eventual repairs.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:41 pm

Her first point doesn't hold water. Even with diesel fuel costing more, the average person (1,500 miles per month) is saving $100 per month just on fuel alone with the CRD. Do the math... any other similar SUV is going to average 16 MPG...the KJ CRD is doing 23 average for most people. That's a 7 MPG difference, and that WAY more than makes up any difference in fuel prices.

However, the other points she made about having trouble finding a mechanic, and parts being rare and very expensive... those are very valid points. That is THE reason that many LOST members have ditched the CRD over the past 3 years. All the money you spend on maintenance and parts over 5-10 years time far outweighs the savings on fuel. One EGR failure = $500 dealer repair. One torque converter = $700 shop repair. CAC hoses = $500 dealer repair. Fuel filters are $40 bucks. T-stats are $100 bucks. Engine parts are astronomical. A rebuild kit costs more than buying a new gasoline engine. So yes... those are valid points she made.

UtopiaCRD · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:03 pm

How about a VW Touareg hybrid? Almost as good fuel economy, and it's bigger. You could trade in the CRD and only owe the price of a small condo. :ROTFL:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:14 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Her first point doesn't hold water. Even with diesel fuel costing more, the average person (1,500 miles per month) is saving $100 per month just on fuel alone with the CRD. Do the math... any other similar SUV is going to average 16 MPG...the KJ CRD is doing 23 average for most people. That's a 7 MPG difference, and that WAY more than makes up any difference in fuel prices.

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If a gas KJ was left stock it easily get's 20+mpg's,so no the fuel savings is not there for the CRD over a 3.7 KJ if both are stock.Modified in anyway all bets are off as when you CRD guy's modify it's for mpg's and gas KJ's it's for offroad handling which kills mpg's.

striperman36 · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:21 pm

keep it , maintain it correctly. she'll treat you right. It's a fun vehicle to own and use. Wife hates it, but she doesn't tow the boat, dogs, toys, friends the CRD does. And she dresses up nice and I can take her to work.

Economical when maintained yourself. But not nice when something big breaks, not so nice. Tell me any other vehicle that isn't so nice when something happens. We don't have a lot of major parts like gassers.
If I didn't have one I'd not be happy. I hope we can get small diesels back in the US before I hit 300K, in about 7 or 8 years.

racertracer · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:56 am

Yes, we own a lovable, fantastic little beast that will drain us of capital if we are unable to maintain it properly.

flman · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:42 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

If a gas KJ was left stock it easily get's 20+mpg's,so no the fuel savings is not there for the CRD over a 3.7 KJ if both are stock.Modified in anyway all bets are off as when you CRD guy's modify it's for mpg's and gas KJ's it's for offroad handling which kills mpg's.

Easily

http://www.fuelly.com/car/jeep/liberty I am sure alot of these members with gassers drives with an egg under their foot, alot of them are reading 16 MPG, the CRD members do it for fun.

I doubt the OP is going to be able to train his wife to drive with an egg under her foot :?:

OTOH, I was thinking of trading one of the CRDs for a pickup truck, my wife wanted no part of getting rid of her CRD

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:45 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

Her first point doesn't hold water. Even with diesel fuel costing more, the average person (1,500 miles per month) is saving $100 per month just on fuel alone with the CRD. Do the math... any other similar SUV is going to average 16 MPG...the KJ CRD is doing 23 average for most people. That's a 7 MPG difference, and that WAY more than makes up any difference in fuel prices.

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If a gas KJ was left stock it easily get's 20+mpg's,so no the fuel savings is not there for the CRD over a 3.7 KJ if both are stock.Modified in anyway all bets are off as when you CRD guy's modify it's for mpg's and gas KJ's it's for offroad handling which kills mpg's.

Not true. I've never seen a gas KJ in my life average 20+ MPGs. In fact, ours would only do 19 MPGs on the interstate! It averaged 16-17 in our normal circuit of driving. A quick glance at fuelly.com and fueleconomy.gov proves that most people are seeing the same.

The CRD on the other hand, ALWAYS averages low 20s MPGs...which is a HUGE savings in fuel costs each month, even with diesel costing more than gasoline.

litton · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:19 pm

I can only say that my wife has laid done the law......don't even be thinking about getting rid of the Liberty. Fuel economy holds at 26 avg, it's really fun to drive "just zips around" (her words), easy to park and looks just fine. She still enjoys have folks panic when she sticks the green nozzle in the tank and looks innocent.

I think if I considered selling, she would want to go with it.

geordi · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:05 pm

LibertyCRD's prices are a bit off... Unless you let the stealership help themselves to your wallet when you have a problem.

Fuel filters are $20 at Napa all day long.
CAC hoses, the two of them will set you back either $60 or $110 (depending on which) but if you do a SIMPLE less-than-$10 mod called the Elephant Hose Mod (EHM) then you won't need to replace them more than once. Your engine should NOT be breathing its own oil, this kills the hoses. Designed-in failure. Having the stealer replace these hoses for $500... You deserve to be robbed for not doing that job yourself! Its a 10 minute job with a screwdriver. Simple.

Just because it is a diesel does NOT mean that working on it requires a degree from Hogwarts or any magic implements. The cost of a thermostat is $100 for the stock bad design, or $140 for an upgraded design that can be replaced for $10. EGR? Don't replace it ever. Get the GDE Eco-tune and forget that the EGR even exists. Better yet, get an SEGR device for your CRD ($100) and that will completely disable the EGR from failure ever again.

Fuel price is irrelevant. Yea, gallon-to-gallon it LOOKS like it costs more... But it doesn't. There is 30% more energy in the gallon of diesel, and the engine makes better use of the fuel as well, due to better thermal efficiency. My CRD has just completed a full tank of city-only driving and got 22mpg! I will be measuring a full tank of highway-only shortly and I expect to see 26-28mpg, if not higher.

A gas engine KJ with the 3.7 can't hope to do that. My 97 Grand Cherokee (larger body, v8 engine, stock everything) only DREAMS of 20+ mpg. Highway mpg is a sad 17mpg, and probably only about 13 in town.

Diesel is better. At idle, (stoplights, etc or long duration idling) my CRD only uses one QUART per hour of idling, with the AC running and even with the parking lights on. Air / fuel ratio of 200:1 or so. A gas engine MUST maintain a 14:1 ratio all the time to be efficient and not burn up the engine... So at idle a V8 engine sucks down GALLONS per hour.

Servicing and parts availability is a concern, yes. At worst, you will be able to order the parts from the UK, they ARE available. Servicing the CRD yourself is easy, when you have help from the members and information here, and the available-for-free factory service manuals. Collectively, the knowledge and experience here exceeds ANY dealer "tech" experience by 100 fold... At least.

Need a bigger vehicle b/c you need to bring more stuff with you? A small trailer will provide MUCH more space for less cost than replacing the CRD, and you will STILL get at least 19mpg on the highway WHILE TOWING up to 7000 lbs, and have all the benefits of the CRD when not towing.
If you got the CRD for your wife... You got a good trade. :jester:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:01 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

[Not true. I've never seen a gas KJ in my life average 20+ MPGs. In fact, ours would only do 19 MPGs on the interstate! It averaged 16-17 in our normal circuit of driving. A quick glance at fuelly.com and fueleconomy.gov proves that most people are seeing the same.

The CRD on the other hand, ALWAYS averages low 20s MPGs...which is a HUGE savings in fuel costs each month, even with diesel costing more than gasoline.

Heck my KJ before the SFA averaged just shy of 22mpg's going to and from MOAB,that was 5500lbs for the KJ and doing 75+mph the whole way and it ain't a flat drive either.

The gas KJ's you hear about with bad mpg's are either severly lacking in the maintenance area or lifted and have big tires without gearing correctly.I gained 6mpg's alone by regearing to 4.10's when I was running 32" tires and I maintain my KJ better then most of you maintain yourself.

Oh and I can still pull 17mpg's now that I'm SFA'd,6000lbs,5.13 gears ,and 35" tires.

orionpps · **Joined:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:31 pm **Posts:** 54

Thanks for the response..I will keep her..the CRD and the wife..the wife is worth keeping if someone will show me how to post pics..I will show you why...now if I could just get her to lay topless on the hold of the CRD :lol:

orionpps · **Joined:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:31 pm **Posts:** 54

I meant hood..

striperman36 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:26 pm

good luck with that picture.

racertracer · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:28 pm

Link on how to post pics.

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=2349

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:30 pm

Most antidiesel arguments are pure emotional arguments not based upon logic.
One could have a phantom engine that could put out 300HP and get 100 MPG in a KJ at the same time, but if the fuel for that phantom engine cost 10 cents per gallon more than regular gasoline, they would use that for the reason to stick with the 15MPG gasser. :banghead:

Bet your Wife would look better on a KJ hood than in a TSA X ray scanner

Get a PhotoBucket account and use the image function to post pics.

OldSkull · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:13 pm

Warp you a addict... :ROTFL:

OrionPPS Imageshack, PhotoBucket, Flick....So much option to host your Pic on the net but be carefull if you dont remove the Exif information we can be able to find your exact GPS location and get there to see the real deal! :BANANA:

(Just kidding! Well maybe..maybe not :jester:

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LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:46 pm

geordi wrote:

LibertyCRD's prices are a bit off... Unless you let the stealership help themselves to your wallet when you have a problem.

Fuel filters are $20 at Napa all day long.
CAC hoses, the two of them will set you back either $60 or $110 (depending on which) but if you do a SIMPLE less-than-$10 mod called the Elephant Hose Mod (EHM) then you won't need to replace them more than once. Your engine should NOT be breathing its own oil, this kills the hoses. Designed-in failure. Having the stealer replace these hoses for $500... You deserve to be robbed for not doing that job yourself! Its a 10 minute job with a screwdriver. Simple.

Nope, these prices are the going rates for the cheapest shops I could find, and the lowest online prices for the parts. The hoses were replaced at the dealership because I had warranty from the used car dealership to cover that. Otherwise these are the prices anybody will pay to get this work done. Owning a CRD is EXPENSIVE compared to gas and there is no way to deny it. Yeah you can mod it (GDE, SEGR, etc.) but then you have hundreds in that.

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