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JieselDeep · **Posted:** Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:42 pm

Alright. I bought a 2005 Liberty CRD yesterday! I've been haunting the site for years and finally found my jeep! It's a dark green Liberty Sport with 84,500 miles on it. The A/C High pressure line has a micro-pinhole detected by my mechanic...The dealership offered to run a vacuum test and replace the line if need be. The intercooler hose on the turbo is cracked but all they would say about that is "Well, it IS a used car, after all!"

I kept at them until they agreed to swap the tires from my trade for the tires on the Jeep! Very good for me!

No mods yet and it seems that the K37 neutering didn't stick...based on rpms at 60mph.

I'm looking forward to enjoying a good long future with my little tractor!

Jon

Big Montana · **Posted:** Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:23 pm

Welcome to the board.

LMWatBullRun · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:58 am

mazel Tov! :rockon:

Plan on a TB/WP/rocker replacement soon.

JieselDeep · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:27 pm

I opted for (got talked into) a 4 year/48,000 mile powertrain service plan that covers all of those items and labor plus the turbo for $2,500 over those same 4 years...Although the salesman thought I was buying a gasser and when I mentioned that the TB and Rockers and Turbo are all known trouble spots for the CRD, his eyebrows shot up and he said "We made a Diesel!?" Anyhow, the service contract served me well on my last car and I feel more secure knowing that the major issues that are likely to spring up are covered.

I've ordered the $35 Ebay intercooler hose (that is cracked on mine). Should arrive next week some time. I believe the clean air hose (between the air filter and the turbo) is also cracked at the bottom. What is the best source for that hose? I've considered taping it with a foil seam tape to see how well that might work for the time being, but I'm a little concerned about bits of rubber flaking off and getting sucked into the turbo. Maybe I could put the foil tape on the inside as well. (http://www.amazon.com/3M-2113NA-High-Temperature-15-Foot/dp/B00004Z4DS/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_3 - the tape is for A/C or Furnace ducts and sticks very well to most surfaces!)

Thanks,
Jon

dirtmover · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:53 pm

The TB is only an issue when it breaks so I guess since they didn't put an age limit on it you've got another 16K until it becomes your responsibility under the routine maintenance schedule. The rockers may succumb to wear or be taken out by a TB failure.

I'd be tempted to leave it until 99K in the hopes that I'd get a new TB and rockers on their dime.

JieselDeep · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:58 pm

So far that's the plan. I asked the salesman about it and he said if they fail, they fail...they're covered. As long as they don't fail because the front of the engine hits a tree, I'm covered. I want to verify this via the fine print, but haven't gotten that far just yet. I'm sort of hoping the timing belt goes out sooner than later...and that they can fix it quickly! I get 10 days of rental car coverage per year while they are waiting for parts. Here in Hawaii, I expect to wait for parts quite often!

papaindigo · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:59 pm

Forget the tape, won't stick. Just get PN 53013104AE from dealer, cost should be $55-65. Be sure the upper end is touching the MAF sensor when you tighten the clamp and don't godzilla the clamp lest you crush the airbox outlet

Big Montana · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:59 pm

groelzj wrote:

So far that's the plan. I asked the salesman about it and he said if they fail, they fail...they're covered. As long as they don't fail because the front of the engine hits a tree, I'm covered. I want to verify this via the fine print, but haven't gotten that far just yet. I'm sort of hoping the timing belt goes out sooner than later...and that they can fix it quickly! I get 10 days of rental car coverage per year while they are waiting for parts. Here in Hawaii, I expect to wait for parts quite often!

WAIT! If that belt fails there are several other expensive components that will blow too. If it's covered great, but you better make sure. The whole top of your engine will be coming off and you may need a new turbo and who knows what else. I can't see a dealership eating all of that cost for a $2500 warranty. I could be wrong though. My TB replacement was almost $2k and that was just the belt and water pump. Mine didn't break, so my rockers and lifters were fine.

I just feel that if it's too good to be true then it just may be false. Be careful.

Hot Stuff · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:48 pm

Big Montana wrote:

WAIT! If that belt fails there are several other expensive components that will blow too. If it's covered great, but you better make sure. The whole top of your engine will be coming off and you may need a new turbo and who knows what else. I can't see a dealership eating all of that cost for a $2500 warranty. I could be wrong though. My TB replacement was almost $2k and that was just the belt and water pump. Mine didn't break, so my rockers and lifters were fine.

I just feel that if it's too good to be true then it just may be false. Be careful.

$2000 for just the timing belt service? Wow. I just did my timing belt, water pump, thermostat, all related pulleys and tensioner, serp. belt, rockers/lifters, and both cams. Granted I did the labor, but only had about 1500 in parts.

Also just because your TB didn't break, that doesn't mean your rockers/lifters are ok! My TB didn't break either, but the rockers did. 92,500 miles on the clock.

kjjet · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:13 pm

groelzj wrote:

Alright. I bought a 2005 Liberty CRD yesterday! I've been haunting the site for years and finally found my jeep! It's a dark green Liberty Sport with 84,500 miles on it. The A/C High pressure line has a micro-pinhole detected by my mechanic...The dealership offered to run a vacuum test and replace the line if need be. The intercooler hose on the turbo is cracked but all they would say about that is "Well, it IS a used car, after all!"

I kept at them until they agreed to swap the tires from my trade for the tires on the Jeep! Very good for me!

No mods yet and it seems that the K37 neutering didn't stick...based on rpms at 60mph.

I'm looking forward to enjoying a good long future with my little tractor!

Jon

When you say dealership. Jeep Dealership? If Yes, ask them about working on a CRD. If not Jeep, you have to ask even more. They could do more damage than good.

Read the warranty closely those stealerships know all the angles.
Good luck with your CRD.

Big Montana · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Hot Stuff wrote:

Big Montana wrote:

WAIT! If that belt fails there are several other expensive components that will blow too. If it's covered great, but you better make sure. The whole top of your engine will be coming off and you may need a new turbo and who knows what else. I can't see a dealership eating all of that cost for a $2500 warranty. I could be wrong though. My TB replacement was almost $2k and that was just the belt and water pump. Mine didn't break, so my rockers and lifters were fine.

I just feel that if it's too good to be true then it just may be false. Be careful.

$2000 for just the timing belt service? Wow. I just did my timing belt, water pump, thermostat, all related pulleys and tensioner, serp. belt, rockers/lifters, and both cams. Granted I did the labor, but only had about 1500 in parts.

Also just because your TB didn't break, that doesn't mean your rockers/lifters are ok! My TB didn't break either, but the rockers did. 92,500 miles on the clock.

Yes I was raped hard. I knew I was being raped hard, but I didn't want to try the job myself. I've done everything else but the TB was beyond my skills. As it turns out, they didn't replace the TB pulleys. They said they looked fine. Jag-offs. That price did include a trans flush and filters too.

DOC4444 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:44 pm

The rockers break and the lifters crush when the pistons hit the valves. This is not a good situation. Several people have replaced the rockers/lifters and carried on, but it is unclear for how long. You REALLY want to AVOID this.

Get Torque Pro and do the MAF test to assess how bad your rockers are. If not run with SEGR or a GDE tune (unlikely), the rockers are probably toast with the miles it has on it.

DOC

JieselDeep · **Posted:** Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:32 pm

Ok, resurrecting my old post here...I did my timing belt a month ago and the engine was quieter after the cams were aligned properly (instead of being a few degrees off like they had been all along).

The turbo went out on me on Monday and I towed it in to the Jeep dealership. They verified that the turbo went out and my EGR had failed as well. (I knew about the EGR, but didn't want it replaced since we all know what it does to these engines. I'll see whether I can talk them into ignoring the EGR.)

They're replacing the turbo and don't yet know how fast they can get one. They have what they're referring to as a 'formality' of a guy from the warranty company coming out to verify that the turbo is indeed bad and I should get an update from them this afternoon to know the timing on all this.

I'll try to keep the updates current when I learn more about my warranty.

Hexus · **Posted:** Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:44 pm

Let them replace the EGR valve. Make sure you instruct them that they have to buy a NEW TURBO!!! Garrett (our turbo manufacturer) does not recondition the turbo nor do they allow it. New is the only answer, several on these boards and around the world have tried the cheaper route with continued failure.

Get a GDE tune ASAP. Even in Hawaii you can order the tuner and have Keith program it pre-shipped by just giving him your injector #'s off the front cover of your timing belt and the VIN. Plus you'll have a code scanner in hand then as well.

JieselDeep · **Posted:** Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:19 pm

I've been running a DIY tune via my MPPS cable and laptop. I flashed it back to stock before I brought it back to Jeep for the warranty work to avoid having to play 20 questions, but at this point I think I'm still going back with that tune. It performed well and gained me a couple mpg for the cost of the $20 MPPS cable.

I'll definitely ask them for the old turbo and egr, if for no other reason than to offer it to anyone on here with a desire to tinker. I've read enough to know that the rebuilt turbo is unacceptable.

I might also point out to them that the Torque Converter was beginning to slip going up steep inclines at speed...which they can't test till they replace the turbo anyway, but they may as well replace the TC while they're doing other warranty work!

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