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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:31 pm 
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Anyone interested in buying my 2005 Liberty CRD. Unmolested (stock), original owner, dealer serviced, 72,000 miles, factory hitch, multi CD changer, new tires, dark green metallic (Jeep calls it dark khaki). Everything works. All service updates done. New pressure oil sensor and oil change. Asking $8000. I'm located in northern New Jersey. I can put up some pictures if interested.


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:00 pm 
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Not a bad price. This is NOT the place to boast about it being "non-molested." That's the kind of thing used car dealers, who know absolutely zero about these engines, post in their ads.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:37 pm 
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Yeah I must say this is a good price if it is in good condition.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:36 pm 
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Yeah that was a poor choice of words, more suited for ebay then this site. I'll probably wind up trading it in but I thought I'd post it here first. I never realized how unpopular diesels are to most people.


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:39 pm 
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Koop wrote:
Yeah that was a poor choice of words, more suited for ebay then this site. I'll probably wind up trading it in but I thought I'd post it here first. I never realized how unpopular diesels are to most people.


I disagree about that. In think in 5-10 years diesel will be very popular, maybe even more popular then gasoline is. It already has become that way in most of Europe. Even in the US, just look around when you drive. It isn't hard to spot a Jetta TDI here and there. Liberty CRD's are just not common in general...there aren't many of them.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:35 am 
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Yes, my DD is a TDI and I go to the dealer occasionally for parts.

This last week a salesman told me 50 to 60% of their sales are TDI's. Also, around 90% of Jetta wagens sold are TDI. The market is northern Utah.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 11:12 pm 
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Too bad it wasn't molested with an EGR delete, crankcase ventilation filter, a torque converter saving tune, and 5w-40 oil its whole life.

Your asking price is too low? Vehicles that don't have issues with similar mileage are selling for $12,500

So, curious: what's wrong with it? Rockers? Torque converter?

I just don't buy it being in great shape with such a low asking price.


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:04 am 
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Take a look at it and judge for yourself. No, I didn't do any of those mods (I'm not much of a mechanic). As far as price, I've seen others listed in the 12's but doubt they are actually selling for that (KBB prices are unrealistic). I have all the dealer service records and never had any problems with it other then a faulty oil pressure sensor.

Diesels are not that popular where I live. Personally, I like them, I own one and have been happy with it but I need something else now and can't keep both. The price I'm asking is more than they would give me for it in a trade in.

Not looking for an arguement but as is typical with most forums people like to bad mouth, criticize and argue. Like I said. take a look and judge it for yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:11 pm 
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Take a look at it where? Post some pictures or a link?

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:13 am 
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MedicPatriot wrote:
Koop wrote:
Yeah that was a poor choice of words, more suited for ebay then this site. I'll probably wind up trading it in but I thought I'd post it here first. I never realized how unpopular diesels are to most people.


I disagree about that. In think in 5-10 years diesel will be very popular, maybe even more popular then gasoline is. It already has become that way in most of Europe.


Sadly I don't think you are correct. I bought my CRD in 2006 believing exactly the same thing. I thought it would retain resale value as they became more popular. I thought that Chrysler had finally entered the diesel market for the long haul and other manufacturers would follow. 7 years later there has been little change in the market. VW is the only manufacturer that has shown consistent interest in supplying the North American market.

The European diesel market received a huge boost due to significant tax incentives on the price of fuel back in the early '80s. It's taken many years for diesels to reach the acceptance level they have today and it only happened because the various Governments pushed for this.

There is no indication that diesel market share here is increasing or will increase in the short term. Without any form of incentives I just can't see it happening. There is more chance of newer gasoline based technologies, electric or hybrid electric getting a foothold as they mature.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:23 am 
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Gasoline direct injection (GDI) is slowly approaching the efficiency of diesel engines.
CARB and the EPA are slowly making it impossible for diesel to meet emissions standards.
Soon the only demand for diesel will be in heavy duty trucks, construction equipment, and locomotives.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:49 am 
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Ladies and gentlemen: I think we are dreaming about the actual value of our Jeep CRDs. I recently traded my 05 Liberty CRD with 69000 miles for $8000. The car was in excellent condition and with the ecotune, samco hoses, V6 airbox mod, K&N air filter and several other minor stuff. This premium stuff is worthless to the dealer and to anyone who does not know what these mods are. Additionally, I was fanatical about maintenance. 5Kmi oil and filter changes 5W-40 Mobil 1 oil and filters and sensor cleaning at every oil change. Again worthless unless documented by the dealer or on Carfax. The mods were made after the warranty expired so I would not void the warranty. I was thinking of the belt change and inquired at several Jeep dealers. Not one of them had performed the belt change. Not a good confidence builder. Then all of the horror stories on this site convinced me that it had to go. I tried to sell it for several months at $12,500. Had many inquiries and even a few came out to see it, but no takers. I briefly though about trading it for the Grand Cherokee diesel until the dealer offered me $5000 on trade. He said no one wants the diesels, yet was charging a $4500 premium for the new diesel.

Diesel economy is a myth for the typical driver and normal use. Yes we get 30+ mpg, but the fuel costs more and the overall cost per mile is often higher than a gasoline engine. Considering the premium paid for the diesel engine, you never will break even. Europe has so many diesels because they subsidize the cost of diesel fuel and not gasoline. VW probably subsidizes the TDI for the US market in order to keep their overall production costs down for Europe. We ship our diesel fuel to Europe and therby keep our cost for it higher than it would normally be in a free US market. Collectively consumers are not stupid and this is the reason why diesels will not be popular until the costs come down. Diesels are only worth it for those that need the performance of the diesel engine for a specific purpose, albeit not economy.


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm 
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I'm sorry to say, but you fell for the typical dealership line of bull.

When you walk in to buy, whatever you are looking at is "the hottest thing on the market, we can't keep them on the lot" and they won't negotiate down on their price.

Drive it off the lot, make a U-turn and go right back to the trade-in desk... suddenly the answer is "we can't move these at all, there isn't any demand for them at all" and they won't negotiate UP from their lowball offer.

Make the trade, go get a sandwich and come back... Suddenly that "we can't move these, no demand at all" story has transformed into a $5500 premium over your trade-in number, and they again are spouting "we can't keep these on the lot."

KBB prices are there for a reason: They are a starting point for negotiations. No individual person or dealer can effect those numbers, so they are a safe place to start from. By the same token, if you believe you have value-added items like a tune and maintenance, those will add to the KBB number for a private sale. You are correct - dealers won't give you a nickel for that, and in most cases will actually PENALIZE you for 'modifying' your vehicle, because it shows (to them) that you are an 'enthusiast' or 'hot rodder' and they won't trust anything you have to say about how you actually treated the vehicle.

To a dealer, they look at the car at face value only. Every word the customer says is a lie, always. Feel free to return the courtesy to them, and you will have much less chance of leaving money on the table when the deal is done. ALWAYS be willing to walk away.

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:14 pm 
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I just got 12k for mine with 75k miles on it. It did have all the goodies though, lift pump, gde tune, ect...

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:07 am 
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Dealership selling used CRD on lot:
"Very rare model that demands a premium."

Dealership on trade-in offer on CRD
"Diesels are not common and people don't want them because diesel fuel costs most than gasoline."


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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Drewd wrote:
Dealership selling used CRD on lot:
"Very rare model that demands a premium."

Dealership on trade-in offer on CRD
"Diesels are not common and people don't want them because diesel fuel costs most than gasoline."


Didn't I just say that? :goink:

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 Post subject: Re: thinking of selling
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:13 pm 
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"Collectively consumers aren't stupid???" That is the most absurd statement I can recall reading.

How many consumers overspent on usurious credit cards? An intelligent consumer buys on credit, uses the financial institution's money free for six weeks, and then pays it off. They do not, ever, pay interest on a credit card.

How many bought a house with a 'sub-prime' mortgage without 'thinking' about how the hell they were going to make payments?

A college level Communication class can demonstrate how advertising affects people's decision to buy (that is if it's taught by someone who didn't get PHD by mail order). Thinking isn't part of the process.

IMO, nobody on the planet is stupider than Americans when it comes to buying cars. Collectively, we are first among stupid.

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