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 Post subject: Mileage calculation - how to
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:37 pm 
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Hey guys,

Just want to point out few things based on my findings and forum experience.

How to calculate the mileage for our crds: we all know the factory odometer is not very accurate. The odometer for a standard older car used a cable with some gears from the transmission to spin other gears that moved odometer digits. You change the tires (bigger or smaller than factory wheel), you mess up the reading since the wheel spins more or less than it was designed to. Our crds use an electronic signal that does that rather than cable with gears. To make a long story short, the factory wheels are designed to be the most accurate for the odometer. Also, the odometer has a +/- 5% error with factory wheels. Nothing new so far.

What I would like to highlight is this. One crd can have +1% error, another crd - 5% error, with the same wheels. It is very important to make sure you test how accurate is the odometer, to know exactly how big the error for your crd's odometer is. Many folks said that, I'm not laying out anything new, but this is how the "calibration" should be made:

Wait till you have a few hundred miles trip. Get a Gps and punch in the destination on a specific route. Note what is the total distance the Gps says (let's say it's 362 miles) Following that route, zero out your odometer before you start driving. Drive as many hundred miles on the odometer as possible (let's say it's 300 miles - a round number makes the math easier). When the odometer reads a round number (300 miles) , look on the Gps to see how many miles you actually drove. Let's say you realize it was 330 miles (based on gps). In this case, 30 miles difference would mean the odometer reads - 10% compared to reality (this happens when you go with bigger wheels). This means the mileage based on odometer is pretty much showing less miles/gallon than in reality.

In my case, the odo shows about 7% less than Gps, using stock rims with bf Goodrich 245x70x16.
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Those wheels are a little taller than the stock ones. I never understood (or believe) how people can get 30mpg with crds... Now I do. I knew the odometer and speedometer are not as accurate as they were with stock tires, but, except speedometer that's easy to check vs Gps, never knew how much were off. What threw me off even more is that I thought that speedometer and odometer are directly dependent of each other. They aren't. My speedometer now shows about 0.5 miles less at 70 MpH than the Gps. The odometer is -7% off... I never got better than 25mpg (this with new rockers and lifters and gde eco). After getting the electric fan I got additional 2 mpg on Highway (27 mpg). After calculating the odo error, I got 30 mpg. All this with driving at an average of 73 MpH going from new York City to Cleveland on a relatively straight road, I80.

I am still so surprised of the difference and was thinking to pass this along, to further highlight the importance of knowing the real odometer error in order to get the proper mileage.

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 Post subject: Re: Mileage calculation - how to
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:04 pm 
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FWIW: I just had my speedometer calibrated at the dealer. It is no longer 3-4mph fast... it is now dead on accurate. I have not checked the odometer yet, as I just picked it up today from getting some stuff done (some under warranty believe it or not...)

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FWIW: I just had my speedometer calibrated at the dealer. It is no longer 3-4mph fast... it is now dead on accurate. I have not checked the odometer yet, as I just picked it up today from getting some stuff done (some under warranty believe it or not...)


Did you tell them what to change to get it calibrated or did the tech know the REVs/Mile?

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arengant wrote:
MRausch82 wrote:
FWIW: I just had my speedometer calibrated at the dealer. It is no longer 3-4mph fast... it is now dead on accurate. I have not checked the odometer yet, as I just picked it up today from getting some stuff done (some under warranty believe it or not...)


Did you tell them what to change to get it calibrated or did the tech know the REVs/Mile?

I told them how far off it was, but they said they deal with this often, and made it sound like they can read the speed some other way to calibrate it. I did not get a chance to ask. I should probably check the odometer. They can adjust that too I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Mileage calculation - how to
PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:06 pm 
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If you use a DRB3, there is, buried in the menus, a place to enter "revolutions per mile".

I did not change mine, but when I changed tires to 225/75-16's, GPS shows me at <1 mph off at 70 mph, and a 5 mile "speedometer check" section was <.1 mile off, as well.

Since all the calculations are done digitally, getting the rev/mile count correct should give you a perfectly correct odometer. If the speedometer is off, it's because the servo motor that moves the needle in the cluster is inaccurate.

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I use my Android tablet and the TorquePro app to monitor various sensors on my CRD.
One of the sensors I can watch is the speedometer.
Now, my tablet does not have a GPS so I assume it motitors speed from the sensor on
transmission through the ECU. I've compared this reading to the GPS speed on my iPhone
and they are nearly spot on. However, both the iphone GPS speed and the TorquePro speed
are about 2 mph slower than the dash speedometer.
I found this quite interesting.

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The speedo with stock size tires shows more (I think by about 2 miles at 70). The problem is with odometer, odometer and speedometer are apparently working independent of each other, hence the speedometer can be made accurate but the odometer may be still off. Best would be for each crd owner to test the odometer accuracy independent of speedometer.

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MRausch82 wrote:
arengant wrote:
MRausch82 wrote:
FWIW: I just had my speedometer calibrated at the dealer. It is no longer 3-4mph fast... it is now dead on accurate. I have not checked the odometer yet, as I just picked it up today from getting some stuff done (some under warranty believe it or not...)


Did you tell them what to change to get it calibrated or did the tech know the REVs/Mile?

I told them how far off it was, but they said they deal with this often, and made it sound like they can read the speed some other way to calibrate it. I did not get a chance to ask. I should probably check the odometer. They can adjust that too I think.


The torque app has to ability to check GPS vs speedometer indicated speed and give you the difference. I havent been able to get it to work but it would be very nice. From what I have seen, my speedo is ~5% slow, althought it seems to get closer the faster i go.

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mass-hole wrote:
The torque app has to ability to check GPS vs speedometer indicated speed and give you the difference. I havent been able to get it to work but it would be very nice. From what I have seen, my speedo is ~5% slow, althought it seems to get closer the faster i go.

Torque displays it just fine for me but I do not know if that will help with the programming.

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