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Author:  SFHLibertyCRD [ Sat May 02, 2015 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
For those who haven't heard of this renewable diesel being offered by Propel in California. I'm running a tank of this in my TDI and it is pretty amazing. They also have it priced at or below the cheapest ULSD stations. I'm not sure how they are doing it, offering a 70+ cetane superior diesel fuel at that price, but they are. The stuff is clear and virtually odorless.

Lots of good info in this thread:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=434322

Here's the homepage for the stuff:
http://dieselhpr.com/
Author:  flash7210 [ Sat May 02, 2015 7:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
The website says "does not contain biodiesel."
So what makes it a renewable fuel?
Author:  KC-CRD [ Sat May 02, 2015 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
From their site:
"Refined from recycled fats & oils,"

They are simply confusing the market, Biodiesel vs Biomass diesel. It's about building brands.

They use the same feedstocks, but the process is different. transesterification vs hydrotreating.

It is A biodiesel, it is not Biodiesel.
Author:  Mountainman [ Sat May 02, 2015 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
There's another outfit making diesel and gas from coal. Supposed to be much cheaper. Anyone up on this? I read they aren't to the point of large scale production yet.
Author:  SFHLibertyCRD [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
KC-CRD wrote:
From their site:
"Refined from recycled fats & oils,"

They are simply confusing the market, Biodiesel vs Biomass diesel. It's about building brands.

They use the same feedstocks, but the process is different. transesterification vs hydrotreating.

It is A biodiesel, it is not Biodiesel.


This is not really about branding or confusing the market. "Biodiesel" has a technical meaning, and has over time come to mean FAME fuel produced through transesterification, as you said. Because of hydrotreating, this is chemically a very different hydrocarbon based fuel that has almost opposite properties to biodiesel (low aromatic and not FAME-based). It is more similar to synthetic diesel in its purity. It is also superior to both petro-diesel and biodiesel in significant ways (except maybe in lubricity, which is simply a matter of additives anyway).

"DieselHPR" is all marketing hype, as it is just Neste Oils renewable diesel from tallow and waste oils. However, "renewable diesel" is the accepted industry term for what they are making, and it is very different than what we currently know as biodiesel (except from being made form the same feedstock). I'd say its a biofuel-based diesel, but not biodiesel.
Author:  Itech [ Sun May 03, 2015 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
I am listening...sources?
Author:  SFHLibertyCRD [ Sun May 03, 2015 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Next generation renewable diesel now available in NorCal
Itech wrote:
I am listening...sources?


One of the primary differences between biodiesel and renewable is that this stuff is tested under and exceeds the ASTM D975 petroleum diesel specifications, NOT the biodiesel spec ASTM D6751.

Here is a laymans article: http://www.hybridcars.com/california-is ... -hpr-fuel/

Here is a bit more technical stuff:
From CARB: http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/lcfs/2a2b/a ... 031513.pdf
From Neste Oils: http://www.nesteoil.com/redirect.asp?pa ... ucher=true
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