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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:51 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:50 pm 
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Tomorrow I'm gonna try to blow up my turbo so I have an excuse to buy one :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:56 pm 
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I cant wait for someone to install one. I wanna see what sort of difference they make.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
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Kills me that I spent $1200 on an OEM one a while back.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:27 pm 
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A few months late :/

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 8:21 pm 
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Sasquatch, please tell us about this no-coking of the oil.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:35 pm 
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I'm hoping this is more than just a stock turbo with a wicked wheel

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 11:39 pm 
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I'm hoping this is more than just a stock turbo with a wicked wheel

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at 2/3 the $$ I can't see it being a bad deal regardless.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:52 pm 
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Is this a ball bearing turbo? I also need to understand how "no oil coking" is achieved. Are all components US, Japanese, or western European made? Pardon my skepticism, but I have difficulty using inexpensive and reliable in the same sentence with turbocharger.

I may be the odd man out, but cost is not nearly as important to me as reliability. My wife's CRD has 98k miles on it and aside from the crappy power windows, it has been very reliable. I have spent a few thousand dollars on upgrades ensuring reliability for her (see my signature). I checked the turbocharger last Sunday when I installed the HDS-001 thermostat and found no axial movement and very little radial movement. I am hoping to get 150K miles from the stock turbo. When the time comes for replacement I want it to be the very last turbo I purchase.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:16 pm 
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95Z28A4 wrote:
Is this a ball bearing turbo? I also need to understand how "no oil coking" is achieved. Are all components US, Japanese, or western European made? Pardon my skepticism, but I have difficulty using inexpensive and reliable in the same sentence with turbocharger.

I may be the odd man out, but cost is not nearly as important to me as reliability. My wife's CRD has 98k miles on it and aside from the crappy power windows, it has been very reliable. I have spent a few thousand dollars on upgrades ensuring reliability for her (see my signature). I checked the turbocharger last Sunday when I installed the HDS-001 thermostat and found no axial movement and very little radial movement. I am hoping to get 150K miles from the stock turbo. When the time comes for replacement I want it to be the very last turbo I purchase.



I agree... I looked into marketing turbochargers myself, and these is no way I can approach the kind of price advertised by Sasquatch Motorsports. I am trying to find a source of Garrett GT1756V turbochargers that GDE uses in their upgrade turbo kit, and my cost is almost double that of the retail price for the Sasquatch Motorsports option. How can Sasquatch sell a better than O.E. turbo for that kind of price, and make any profit at all?


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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:08 pm 
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TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
95Z28A4 wrote:
Is this a ball bearing turbo? I also need to understand how "no oil coking" is achieved. Are all components US, Japanese, or western European made? Pardon my skepticism, but I have difficulty using inexpensive and reliable in the same sentence with turbocharger.

I may be the odd man out, but cost is not nearly as important to me as reliability. My wife's CRD has 98k miles on it and aside from the crappy power windows, it has been very reliable. I have spent a few thousand dollars on upgrades ensuring reliability for her (see my signature). I checked the turbocharger last Sunday when I installed the HDS-001 thermostat and found no axial movement and very little radial movement. I am hoping to get 150K miles from the stock turbo. When the time comes for replacement I want it to be the very last turbo I purchase.



I agree... I looked into marketing turbochargers myself, and these is no way I can approach the kind of price advertised by Sasquatch Motorsports. I am trying to find a source of Garrett GT1756V turbochargers that GDE uses in their upgrade turbo kit, and my cost is almost double that of the retail price for the Sasquatch Motorsports option. How can Sasquatch sell a better than O.E. turbo for that kind of price, and make any profit at all?

Jeff, you're comparing a Garrett turbo with a different brand or with a custom made. Garrett is known to be expensive. Weeks does not advertise a Garrett turbo.

Side brand, proper cool down will make turbo last as long as the engine easy. Low egt and quality oil also. I have almost 140k and the turbo play is comparable to a new stock Garrett I bought as spare. A better turbo would be water-cooled and ball bearing.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:43 pm 
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You won't win any dyno competitions with this turbo, that's not the point. The point is to improve on the factory design while also lowering the price. This is for the CRD owner who has a turbocharger failure and needs to get back on the road, and wants a better option than the pricey Garret. We've reduced the cost by $400-$500 while improving performance and mitigating the significant design flaws inherent in the factory Garret turbocharger design. We are backing it up with a 1 year manufacturer's warranty.


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Is this a ball bearing turbo?

Ball bearing and/or water cooling would increase the cost significantly. It's a journal bearing, but it has been upgraded from a 270° thrust bearing to a full-face 360° thrust bearing. This offers improved long term wear characteristics compared to the Garret unit. A 360° thrust bearing is better for spreading out loads by distributing and supporting the complete thrust load placed on the shaft, whereas the 270° thrust washer found in the Garret unit covers only a portion of the shaft.


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Sasquatch, please tell us about this no-coking of the oil.

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I also need to understand how "no oil coking" is achieved.

While the original turbo that was installed on the VM Motori 2.8L in Italy for the Jeep CRD has a threaded compressor wheel and has the Garrett name stamped on the compressor housing, Garrett denies they supplied this to VM Motori or even produced it. This is the turbo that has the coking issue and failed turbos. Garrett does acknowledge and does supply parts for the boreless version. This boreless turbo has no known coking issues in the oil system. Coking happens because the temps and the oil residue time are both higher than the stability limits of the lubrication. When we set out to improve on this situation of the 1st generation Garrett Turbo (the one that doesn’t exist) we reviewed the thermal insulation of supply, drain and vent lines in the oil system of the turbo. By modifying these, or increasing the thermal insulation, it significantly reduced deposits.


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Are all components US, Japanese, or western European made?

Does Jeep/Chrysler manufacture their vehicles in US? Actually they don’t manufacture anything, they assemble. They design the parts for their vehicles then subcontract all the manufacturing for each part all over world. Yet Jeep/Chrysler are considered the manufacturer.

Likewise, we are not buying a completed turbo from "Company X" because they have one sitting on a shelf somewhere in the South Pacific. We have designed several parts of the turbo and have brought them together as one. We have fixed the coking problem, added 360 thrust bearing (desperately needed) and added a CNC billet compressor wheel (along with a few other items). So, we are not forging and casting here in the USA, but it is designed and assembled here in the USA, similar to Jeep.


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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:17 pm 
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weeks101 wrote:
95Z28A4 wrote:
Are all components US, Japanese, or western European made?

Does Jeep/Chrysler manufacture their vehicles in US? Actually they don’t manufacture anything, they assemble. They design the parts for their vehicles then subcontract all the manufacturing for each part all over world. Yet Jeep/Chrysler are considered the manufacturer.

Likewise, we are not buying a completed turbo from "Company X" because they have one sitting on a shelf somewhere in the South Pacific. We have designed several parts of the turbo and have brought them together as one. We have fixed the coking problem, added 360 thrust bearing (desperately needed) and added a CNC billet compressor wheel (along with a few other items). So, we are not forging and casting here in the USA, but it is designed and assembled here in the USA, similar to Jeep.

Thanks for your interest everyone!


Seth,
I think you missed the point of the question. I did not ask if the components are made solely in the USA. I asked if they are made in the US, Japan, or western Europe. I'm not just partial to these locations, but I am partial to quality. The quality of components coming from these locations are usually much higher than those coming from some other countries.......China for example.

But, I guess your seemingly evasive answer (at least evasive to me) is really my fault for not being direct. Therefore, I will be more direct with my question this time. Are any of the turbocharger components manufactured in China or any other Asian country besides Japan or any middle eastern countries?

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
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Coking is caused mainly from heat soaking through the shaft from the turbine wheel. The coking sticks the bearings to the shaft, these turbos use non floating bearings so once the they stick and spin, a rapid and violent catastrophe is usually the end result.
Some heat does soak from the turbine housing and into the center section, but this cools quickly since it is exposed to outside air.

A billet wheel does not make it "high flow", what was changed to make it high flow? The added tricks of extended tips and more aggressive inducer blade angles does move more air but at the expense of needing more drive pressure (backpressure) to power it.

Says 1 year warranty, is it sent back to sasquatch for repair? Or is a new one sent out? What about rebuilds?

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I am hoping to get 150K miles from the stock turbo

So far, I have 180k miles on my stock turbo. Still going strong.

If I needed a replacement turbo, I'd buy the Sasquatch one.

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 Post subject: Re: New turbo option.
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I will continue to see if I can find a supply of Garrett GT1756V turbochargers at a reasonable price. Green Diesel Engineering is probably going to stop offering the Turbo package unless they can find a new supply of the GT1756V turbos at a price point that makes their Turbo kit a viable option.

I totally understand Seth's product he is offering here, and the price looks real good. I just want to upgrade my rides if I can, and that means a turbo kit for me, (if I can ever afford it).


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TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
I will continue to see if I can find a supply of Garrett GT1756V turbochargers at a reasonable price. Green Diesel Engineering is probably going to stop offering the Turbo package unless they can find a new supply of the GT1756V turbos at a price point that makes their Turbo kit a viable option.

I totally understand Seth's product he is offering here, and the price looks real good. I just want to upgrade my rides if I can, and that means a turbo kit for me, (if I can ever afford it).


Or just wait until my ball bearing turbos come out, factory fit and finish but will spool like the gt17 but capable of 240hp.

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I'm hoping this is more than just a stock turbo with a wicked wheel

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at 2/3 the $$ I can't see it being a bad deal regardless.


I agree, if my turbo blew up an I was in a pinch to get something back in there to get the jeep back on the road I would absolutely go this route.

But as dieselguy alluded too, the wicked wheel seems to just be a copy of the stock wheel, so essentially no added benefit.

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diesel_guy86 wrote:
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I will continue to see if I can find a supply of Garrett GT1756V turbochargers at a reasonable price. Green Diesel Engineering is probably going to stop offering the Turbo package unless they can find a new supply of the GT1756V turbos at a price point that makes their Turbo kit a viable option.

I totally understand Seth's product he is offering here, and the price looks real good. I just want to upgrade my rides if I can, and that means a turbo kit for me, (if I can ever afford it).


Or just wait until my ball bearing turbos come out, factory fit and finish but will spool like the gt17 but capable of 240hp.



I am interested... please P.M. me further about this. :)


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I think my mechanic (MobileTech in Wilmington, NC) just installed one of these in my CRD. My cost was $770 and it came with a 1 year warranty. I can call him next week to find out for sure. Does the turbo have any external marks on it that would identify it as a Sasquatch turbo?

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