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| Author: | m0sfet [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Coolant for Liberty CRD |
Hi all, It looks like I currently have orange coolant in my 06 liberty crd. Does it matter if I use the Peak 150k/5year Green coolant? I really don’t know what the different colors of coolant means. Please advise. Sorry for the noob question. |
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| Author: | G.O.A.T. [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
HOAT only Sent from my SM-N900P using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
Ask for hoat coolant. You can buy online or from napa for sure. I think you can also use oat coolant, but you'd need to flush the whole system, not worth. Just don't mix coolants together. |
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| Author: | m0sfet [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
So if I find HOAT of a different color, it shouldn't matter if I mix it, right? |
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| Author: | flash7210 [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
Zerex G-05. Gold bottle. Available at Napa and Pepboys. |
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| Author: | papaindigo [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
HOAT only such as Mopar, Xerex G-05, or Motor Craft Premium Gold The green "universal" stuff has been know to precipitate out stuff so as to completely clog CRD radiators. |
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| Author: | jws84_02 [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
It will be best to totally flush your radiator. You can do it at home with distilled water. Just fill and drain until the coolant coming out is clear. Then you can fill up with zerex g05 |
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| Author: | papaindigo [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
You can flush it that way but due to the way the system is plumbed (some coolant in the system is below the drain) you will need to drain, refill (demineralized water is fine), idle the engine for like 45seconds, repeat. It takes like 7 cycles of this for the drained fluid to get pretty clear. Better is to get a Prestone flush-n-fill kit; install; follow instructions to flush with garden hose. Unless your tap water is really hard once you have flushed you can refill with HOAT and demineralized water. A 50/50 mix is best. Don't fall for the expensive scam of buying pre-mixed antifreeze just get the straight good stuff. NOTE the manuals are inconsistent on coolant capacity probably due to bad metric to US conversion; best guess is system capacity is 13 US qts; my recommendation is add 6.5qts to a drained system and then fill to top with demineralized water which should get you to ca. 50/50 when you consider the fluid that did not drain from the system. |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
papaindigo wrote: You can flush it that way but due to the way the system is plumbed (some coolant in the system is below the drain) you will need to drain, refill (demineralized water is fine), idle the engine for like 45seconds, repeat. It takes like 7 cycles of this for the drained fluid to get pretty clear. Better is to get a Prestone flush-n-fill kit; install; follow instructions to flush with garden hose. Unless your tap water is really hard once you have flushed you can refill with HOAT and demineralized water. A 50/50 mix is best. Don't fall for the expensive scam of buying pre-mixed antifreeze just get the straight good stuff. NOTE the manuals are inconsistent on coolant capacity probably due to bad metric to US conversion; best guess is system capacity is 13 US qts; my recommendation is add 6.5qts to a drained system and then fill to top with demineralized water which should get you to ca. 50/50 when you consider the fluid that did not drain from the system. Papa, zerex g-05 mixed (blue cap) is not a scam, I used it and still use. The fully concentrated has black cap. I believe you mean other no name "universal" antifreeze, right? |
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| Author: | papaindigo [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
Yeh, perhaps "scam" was not the most appropriate term for me to use. Just to be clear I consider 50/50 pre-mix generally way over priced considering it's 1/2 good stuff and 1/2 demineralized water that often costs all of $1 at the local grocery store. It does work but... |
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
Buying the 50/50 is wasting money. I generally get just about 2 gallons out when using the drain at the bottom of the radiator. When refilling, start with pure, the 6 quart that Papaindigo mentioned is perfect, because the heater core will be full of freshly flushed water or old coolant. But this is OK, because this is an extended life coolant, a little bit of mixing with the old is not going to be an issue. Getting the best mix is the most important though, the best protection and performance is actually at above a 50/50, it is more like 66%. So if you flush the system entirely and drain from the bottom, you will get about 2 gallons back in, leading to a nearly perfect 60/40 mix. This is what I aim for with the CRDs I work on. |
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| Author: | 95Z28A4 [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
geordi wrote: Getting the best mix is the most important though, the best protection and performance is actually at above a 50/50, it is more like 66%. So if you flush the system entirely and drain from the bottom, you will get about 2 gallons back in, leading to a nearly perfect 60/40 mix. This is what I aim for with the CRDs I work on. Geordi is correct, 66% ethylene glycol / 34% water is the best for freeze protection to -60F. 50/50 offers freeze protection to -38F. But.......ethylene glycol does not shed heat nearly as well as water. This means that running a higher concentration of glycol can reduce the cooling capacity of your vehicles cooling system. Therefore, I suggest using a 50/50 glycol/water mix for all but the most northern states. Did I mention that I am a Production Specialist for the Ethylene Oxide / Ethylene Glycol plants for a major petro-chemical company at one of their manufacturing complexes? Just an FYI.......If you think 100% glycol will offer better freeze protection than 66%/34%, think again. 100% ethylene glycol freezes at +8F. |
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
100% is certainly not good... But that 66% mix should also offer much higher boil-over protection than 50/50 as well. IIRC, the 50/50 boils somewhere around 240F, while a 66% mix is more like 278. Granted, we should never let the engine temps get that high, but that isn't where the hottest point is. It is on the back of the cylinder liners! A higher mix will prevent localized boiling which could cause cavitation and pitting on the back of the liners, leading to even less heat transfer. Most engines don't have to deal with that kind of situation. As far as the overall heat transfer, I would think that the high flow rate from the pump is more than sufficient to continuously deliver water through the system, and a little bit of cooling (per given volume of water) repeated continuously should be more than sufficient. Since we aren't hearing about the engines heat-soaking and eventually overheating the coolant (which is the result of insufficient cooling transfer) I don't think heat transfer is our issue. |
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| Author: | papaindigo [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
From the Xerex G-05 spec sheet. %antifreeze Freezing point F Boiling point F 40 -12 260 50 -34 265 60 -54 271 70 -90 277 70% is maximum freeze protection. |
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| Author: | flash7210 [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
What about additives such as RedLine WaterWetter and RoyalPurple PurpleIce? Do they improve heat transfer capabilities and limit cavitation? They both seem to do well in racing applications. I added the PurpleIce stuff to my coolant yesterday morning and drove around all afternoon. It was 92 degrees outside. Can't say that it helped things run cooler. My thermostat does a pretty good job of keeping things at an even temp. All things considered, the CRD cooling system does a pretty darn good job when given good airflow (and when healthy). It's not until you start pulling a heavy load up a mountain that things start getting too hot. |
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| Author: | geordi [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
The other thing to remember is that diesels naturally will want to run COLD, and the thermostat is actually causing it to run hotter (to the design spec of the thermostat) than it would normally. Gasoline engines: When working hard and getting hot, add more fuel to "cool" the combustion chamber, or risk melting a piston. Idling a gas engine causes heat to build up b/c of low(er) fuel consumption. Idling gas engine must stay at 14:1 air:fuel, so uses gallons per hour. Lean burning is hotter. Rich burning is cooler. Diesel engines: When working hard and getting hot, REDUCE fuelling to cool the combustion, or risk melting a piston. Idling a diesel causes heat loss, due to extremely low fuel consumption. Idling diesel can go to greater than 250:1 air:fuel, and a 4-cylinder 2.8 liter diesel with the AC on uses about a quart per hour. A 1.9 liter diesel (VW) idling uses about the same. Just enough fuel is burned to keep the engine rotating, leaving almost no waste energy to heat up the water. Lean burning is cooler, rich burning is hotter. |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
geordi wrote: The other thing to remember is that diesels naturally will want to run COLD, and the thermostat is actually causing it to run hotter (to the design spec of the thermostat) than it would normally. Gasoline engines: When working hard and getting hot, add more fuel to "cool" the combustion chamber, or risk melting a piston. Idling a gas engine causes heat to build up b/c of low(er) fuel consumption. Idling gas engine must stay at 14:1 air:fuel, so uses gallons per hour. Lean burning is hotter. Rich burning is cooler. Diesel engines: When working hard and getting hot, REDUCE fuelling to cool the combustion, or risk melting a piston. Idling a diesel causes heat loss, due to extremely low fuel consumption. Idling diesel can go to greater than 250:1 air:fuel, and a 4-cylinder 2.8 liter diesel with the AC on uses about a quart per hour. A 1.9 liter diesel (VW) idling uses about the same. Just enough fuel is burned to keep the engine rotating, leaving almost no waste energy to heat up the water. Lean burning is cooler, rich burning is hotter. One thing I don't agree with. Fuel is not causing heat by itself. Fuel AND friction is causing the heat. Hence gde tune elevated idling, which adds a bit more fuel and increases the friction. Granted, they are directly depending on each other in a linear way. Too much fuel is black smoke, aka unburned fuel, aka black hillbilly smoke, or aka prius repellent. https://youtu.be/1e0OEvhCI7Y https://youtu.be/CpaMDE5qrsA https://youtu.be/AETpNL_LaIc https://youtu.be/1L7f3oN_HlM Funny and not funny... |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
95Z28A4 wrote: geordi wrote: Getting the best mix is the most important though, the best protection and performance is actually at above a 50/50, it is more like 66%. So if you flush the system entirely and drain from the bottom, you will get about 2 gallons back in, leading to a nearly perfect 60/40 mix. This is what I aim for with the CRDs I work on. Geordi is correct, 66% ethylene glycol / 34% water is the best for freeze protection to -60F. 50/50 offers freeze protection to -38F. But.......ethylene glycol does not shed heat nearly as well as water. This means that running a higher concentration of glycol can reduce the cooling capacity of your vehicles cooling system. Therefore, I suggest using a 50/50 glycol/water mix for all but the most northern states. Did I mention that I am a Production Specialist for the Ethylene Oxide / Ethylene Glycol plants for a major petro-chemical company at one of their manufacturing complexes? Just an FYI.......If you think 100% glycol will offer better freeze protection than 66%/34%, think again. 100% ethylene glycol freezes at +8F. This I agree with 100%. |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
papaindigo wrote: Yeh, perhaps "scam" was not the most appropriate term for me to use. Just to be clear I consider 50/50 pre-mix generally way over priced considering it's 1/2 good stuff and 1/2 demineralized water that often costs all of $1 at the local grocery store. It does work but... Papa, hopefully you didn't get my comment wrong... I just wanted to say that 50/50 zerex is good, not that is not overpriced, because it is. But for me, I'd rather pay a bit more and not worry about calculating the amount I need to add in the vehicle, depending on how much quantity I need to add. I may have misunderstood you, in which case I apologize. |
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| Author: | Mountainman [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coolant for Liberty CRD |
jws84_02 wrote: It will be best to totally flush your radiator. You can do it at home with distilled water. Just fill and drain until the coolant coming out is clear. Then you can fill up with zerex g05 X2 That's pretty much how I do it also, although I have been using city water with the garden hose, and then I pull the lower radiator hose down and out below the radiator carefully, and get the last liter of city water out. I reconnect it 2-5 times, run the engine a few mins, depending how much oil and crap is in there, and run a flush kit if it's really bad (I'm usually dealing with blown head gaskets or worse). It gets old pulling that lower radiator hose off the drivers side and below the radiator, but I catch it in a glass, and keep going until it's clear. Then the G05 from NAPA. |
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