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| Author: | layback40 [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
For a few months I have had issues. Started with a couple of dead GP's. At the same time as I replaced them, removed throttle plate and blocked EGR. Following this had issue with bugs in the fuel. Treated & changed filter. Starting became difficult, needed to crank for a long time. It cranks well. Good battery & have tried Eventually would not start without starter fluid. Both hot & cold start. Fitted inline electric pump. There are no air leaks into fuel around filter. Have some clear fuel line & no bubbles. Been getting code for major fuel leak. No fuel leak. Occurs often when accelerating. Engine dies & over ~ 45mph can turn key off & back on & it restarts as engine is still spinning. If going slow & put into neutral, it will not start. Have to stop, pop hood & give a small spray under air cleaner lid. Starts & can continue if driving with very light throttle. It may die again as I approach 60mph. There are no signs of injector problems. Idles smooth, no smoking. It is as if there is a bad restriction to fuel supply through the CP3. Have replaced the sensor on the side of the HP rail. Made no change. Is there a fine mesh strainer in the inlet to the CP3? Thinking of installing a second higher pressure electric pump between the filter & CP3. Anyone have experience with the CP3 on these engines? Maybe had same problems. Hope some one can make suggestions that I have not tried. |
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| Author: | rankom [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
try maybe replacing M-prop valve located at cp3 pump they do get some bad fuel and get sticky |
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| Author: | rankom [ Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
best approach would be go to Bosch and let them guide you through the procedure. |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
I have another pump I can install if I remove it off the other jeep. Having rebuilt Bosch IDI pumps, I may have a closer look. Cant find the electrical connections on the pump, feeling around the back of the pump. May run some 2 stroke oil in the fuel & see if it improves in time. If anyone has a good diagram/pic of the back of the pump showing things like the M-prop, it would be appreciated. |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
Thanks guys. Running injector cleaner through it for 1/2 tank has improved it a bit. Will see how I go. Looks like the wires will be close to the block. I need to make sure the electrical connection is good. |
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| Author: | jrsavoie [ Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
After running starting fluid, you may need glow plugs . that stuff is an engine killer |
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| Author: | Steve777 [ Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
For cleaning out the fuel system I would give some biodiesel a try. It is an excellent solvent as well as being a good high pressure lube. May or may not help but likely can't do any harm. |
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| Author: | My66dodge [ Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
Use a scan tool to get data so we can properly determine the issue. You will need rail pressure before cranking after sitting then look at it when cranking. If you need to clean the fuel system we have had amazing results at my shop with Liquimoly diesel purge, I add it to the tank every oil service to keep things clean Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | uncaged [ Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
The fact that this valve is called so many different names is frustrating! It's function is internal to the CP3, where it dumps high pressure fuel (ready to head to the rail) back into the low pressure inlet (still all internal to the CP3) if there's already an over abundance of high pressure fuel exiting the CP3. It acts as a fuel pressure regulator (internal to the CP3) AND fuel quantity supply valve. When you throw a code for "major fuel leak" it's this valve that is the culprit. The fuel pressure sensor is on the side of the fuel rail, and the fuel rail pressure regulator is on the back of the rail. These are what you see with a scan tool. The only fuel "quality" related thing to this valve is if you have low quality fuel, it will gum up. LOL. |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
The frustration continues. have now replaced the CP3. All sensors/solenoid etc on the fuel system have been replaced. It has started to blow black smoke like a coal train under any acceleration. Harder to start, sometimes need 2 tries with starter fluid. When sitting idling in the drive, if you rev it up a few times, it creates a black soot patch. The only thing left is the injectors. When the weather improves a bit here I may swap out the injectors. Any other suggestions/comments are appreciated. |
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| Author: | rankom [ Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
yes its a good idea to test injectors when #1 failed in my case I had the same code and it blew a lot of black smoke and rattling sound like a machine gun. so im surprised in your case there is no noise. |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
rankom wrote: yes its a good idea to test injectors when #1 failed in my case I had the same code and it blew a lot of black smoke and rattling sound like a machine gun. so im surprised in your case there is no noise. Thanks for the comment. I do get a rattle when its cold. Goes away when it warms up. Thought it maybe a sticky lifter. Did you end up replacing the injectors or just new tips? |
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| Author: | rankom [ Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
I replaced injector. part number is 0 445 110 217 Bosch reman |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
Looks like I finally have progress. Replaced the #1 injector body. Not tip though. Now starts without starter fluid & can run at 50mph without cutting out. Will see what happens as I replace the other injector bodies. |
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| Author: | layback40 [ Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
Have had a few months break by driving my XJ diesel. Now that things are drying up a bit here, I got back to the KJ. The injector changing didnt cure the problem. Given I am continually reading about CPS failures & its not that hard to get at from underneath, I took the one out of my 2007. Then today got under the 2006 & first thing I saw was no heat shield! Comparing the 2 (same Bosch part number), The one on the 2006 appears to have an issue. The pin on the right (when the wide bumps are at the top) is showing open circuit to the other pins. On the 2007 sensor its about 930 ohms to each of the other 2 pins. About 2 ohms between the middle pin & the one to the right. So now I will put the good one in & see if it works. Conclusion; Replace the CPS at the first sign of problems. Will see in the next few days if it works. |
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| Author: | WWDiesel [ Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2006 CRD only starts with starter fluid. |
Hope that cures your problem mate! That is why so many on LOSTJeeps always suggest changing the crank sensor first. It is not expensive, and they are notorious for failing with age. And the only way to test them correctly is with a scope! And they rarely ever set a Pcode when they cause the engine to stop running. Mine put me on the side of the road twice and never tripped a DTC. |
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