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Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k?

Sorry... I think I typoed... the 10/100k is on the diesel motor as is listed in the manual. If the 7/70 drivetrain does not cover the EGR, then I'm guessing the 10/100 motor warranty will not either. Now I just have to decide if an extended warranty is worth purchasing...

MoLibertyCRD wrote:

Well the EGR seems like it would be considered part of the Diesel Engine...it needs it to run properly. Maybe you can get a clarification from the dealer od DC about this?

I haven't bought one yet, but I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a 2006 Liberty with the CRD. However, after reading all of the fun that seems to occur with the EGR valve, I was wondering how difficuly it will be to replace one when it is out of warranty? Has anyone done it and do you know what the cost of the part is? I have done a bunch of work on old Chevy/detroit 6/2 and 6.5 diesels, but this seems to be quite a different beast.

Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k?

Thanks and looking forward to joining the fellowship of the CRD.

MoLibertyCRD wrote:

I ask my dealer and they said EGR is covered under 100k engine warranty, once out of warranty maybe we can just bypass it.

I think you could argue the egr being part of the drivetrain. If the egr fails wouldn't it make the vehicle undrivable or cause poor drivability. The egr is part of the engine and has coolant going through it and is also piped to the turbo. How is it not part of the engine. If they deny powertrain warranty on it because of it being classified as an emission part wouldn't the same be true of the turbo?? If the turbo is part of the drive train I cannot see how the egr isn't.This isn't as simple as a bad o2 sensor or a leaking evap can. When they fail you get the cel and drive on with no issues and no limp mode. The egr in the crd is required for normal engine operation. I call that part of the powertrain. Sorry for the ranting :oops:

I didn't buy the extended warranty because I figured the egr was part of the 7/70 warranty and will be very upset if it is not covered. The worst part is I know diesels and there isn't a egr diesel engine out there that doesn't have issues with the system.

I've decided to come up with my own backup plan in case ULSD doesn't cure the EGR problems.

It's called a Mercedes-Benz 300D.

And if worst comes to worst, I only owe 6K on the CRD. It could make one heck of a good down payment towards a E320 CDI. :wink:

You gotta be kidding me, they're going to make the same mistake AGAIN, on an MB engine? Looks like the bean counters are at work again, because the engine is going in a lowly Jeep and not an MB.

If worst comes to worst, and I do decide to try going the E320 CDI route, you can be bloody sure I'll be popping the hood and takin a close look at it's CCV system. At least on the 320, it's an inline 6 3.2, hopefully with a better system installed.

Had a guy from the oncoming shift at work tonight tell me I was wasting my money buying a used MB diesel, for the same price ( about 8 grand) I could buy a new Japanese econobox that got even better fuel mileage.

Common decency prevents me from quoting verbatim my reply, other than to say I questioned his basic intelligence and planet of origin.

retmil46 wrote:

Hehehehe crusty old dude when you are coming off shift ain't you.

You oughta try me in the morning, before I've had my first pot of coffee. :shock:

After the first two or three cups, I can start thinking about taking the hockey mask off.

Author:	MoLibertyCRD [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:36 am ]
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I haven't bought one yet, but I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a 2006 Liberty with the CRD. However, after reading all of the fun that seems to occur with the EGR valve, I was wondering how difficuly it will be to replace one when it is out of warranty? Has anyone done it and do you know what the cost of the part is? I have done a bunch of work on old Chevy/detroit 6/2 and 6.5 diesels, but this seems to be quite a different beast. Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k? Thanks and looking forward to joining the fellowship of the CRD.

Author:	DarbyWalters [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:00 am ]
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Well you really don't have a choice...you are posting in the CRD section and your moniker is MoLibertyCRD...you are destined to have one

Author:	Guest [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:11 am ]
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MoLibertyCRD wrote: Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k? Where did you get a 10/100k drivetrain warranty unless you paid extra, or will pay extra for one? The 7/70 was eliminated for 2006 with nothing to take it's place. My 7/70 for my 2005 CRD does not cover the EGR as it's not a "drivetrain" component. EGR runs about $250-300 online for the part, not sure about how to get my hands in there to replace it if need be.

Author:	MoLibertyCRD [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:15 am ]
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Sorry... I think I typoed... the 10/100k is on the diesel motor as is listed in the manual. If the 7/70 drivetrain does not cover the EGR, then I'm guessing the 10/100 motor warranty will not either. Now I just have to decide if an extended warranty is worth purchasing...

Author:	DarbyWalters [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:38 am ]
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MoLibertyCRD wrote: Sorry... I think I typoed... the 10/100k is on the diesel motor as is listed in the manual. If the 7/70 drivetrain does not cover the EGR, then I'm guessing the 10/100 motor warranty will not either. Now I just have to decide if an extended warranty is worth purchasing... Well the EGR seems like it would be considered part of the Diesel Engine...it needs it to run properly. Maybe you can get a clarification from the dealer od DC about this?

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Author:	MoLibertyCRD [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:11 pm ]
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DarbyWalters wrote: MoLibertyCRD wrote: Sorry... I think I typoed... the 10/100k is on the diesel motor as is listed in the manual. If the 7/70 drivetrain does not cover the EGR, then I'm guessing the 10/100 motor warranty will not either. Now I just have to decide if an extended warranty is worth purchasing... Well the EGR seems like it would be considered part of the Diesel Engine...it needs it to run properly. Maybe you can get a clarification from the dealer od DC about this? Actually, this may be a good question to test the service manager of the local Jeep dealer on. I know they also work on Cummins and Powerstroke at this dealer, so I'm hoping they will be somewhat diesel saavy! I'll let you know what kind of response I get.

Author:	kjfishman [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:17 pm ]
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MoLibertyCRD wrote: I haven't bought one yet, but I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a 2006 Liberty with the CRD. However, after reading all of the fun that seems to occur with the EGR valve, I was wondering how difficuly it will be to replace one when it is out of warranty? Has anyone done it and do you know what the cost of the part is? I have done a bunch of work on old Chevy/detroit 6/2 and 6.5 diesels, but this seems to be quite a different beast. Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k? Thanks and looking forward to joining the fellowship of the CRD. I ask my dealer and they said EGR is covered under 100k engine warranty, once out of warranty maybe we can just bypass it.

Author:	oldnavy [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:07 pm ]
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kjfishman wrote: MoLibertyCRD wrote: I haven't bought one yet, but I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a 2006 Liberty with the CRD. However, after reading all of the fun that seems to occur with the EGR valve, I was wondering how difficuly it will be to replace one when it is out of warranty? Has anyone done it and do you know what the cost of the part is? I have done a bunch of work on old Chevy/detroit 6/2 and 6.5 diesels, but this seems to be quite a different beast. Also, since the 2006 has a 10/100k mile drivetrain warranty, does that cover EGR problems up until 100k? Thanks and looking forward to joining the fellowship of the CRD. I ask my dealer and they said EGR is covered under 100k engine warranty, once out of warranty maybe we can just bypass it. If you do a search I posted a section of the EPA warranty requirements for the polution devices on a vehicle, the EGR is only required to have a 24,000/24 month warranty by mfg, (I'm going by memory here so look it up to be sure) if the mfg has a 36/36 B to B warranty then it has a that warranty as does our CRD.

Author:	onthehunt [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:56 pm ]
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I think you could argue the egr being part of the drivetrain. If the egr fails wouldn't it make the vehicle undrivable or cause poor drivability. The egr is part of the engine and has coolant going through it and is also piped to the turbo. How is it not part of the engine. If they deny powertrain warranty on it because of it being classified as an emission part wouldn't the same be true of the turbo?? If the turbo is part of the drive train I cannot see how the egr isn't.This isn't as simple as a bad o2 sensor or a leaking evap can. When they fail you get the cel and drive on with no issues and no limp mode. The egr in the crd is required for normal engine operation. I call that part of the powertrain. Sorry for the ranting I didn't buy the extended warranty because I figured the egr was part of the 7/70 warranty and will be very upset if it is not covered. The worst part is I know diesels and there isn't a egr diesel engine out there that doesn't have issues with the system.

Author:	oldnavy [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:06 pm ]
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onthehunt wrote: I think you could argue the egr being part of the drivetrain. If the egr fails wouldn't it make the vehicle undrivable or cause poor drivability. The egr is part of the engine and has coolant going through it and is also piped to the turbo. How is it not part of the engine. If they deny powertrain warranty on it because of it being classified as an emission part wouldn't the same be true of the turbo?? If the turbo is part of the drive train I cannot see how the egr isn't.This isn't as simple as a bad o2 sensor or a leaking evap can. When they fail you get the cel and drive on with no issues and no limp mode. The egr in the crd is required for normal engine operation. I call that part of the powertrain. Sorry for the ranting I didn't buy the extended warranty because I figured the egr was part of the 7/70 warranty and will be very upset if it is not covered. The worst part is I know diesels and there isn't a egr diesel engine out there that doesn't have issues with the system. EGR is not part of drive train by EPA rules and they are the ones mandating its use and requiring specific warranty for various emmissions parts. EPA list all emissions parts required by name and then puts them into various goups for warranty purposes. What you suggest would imply a government agency is capable of using logical thought processes that most normal people have and would use like you have been doing here. There may be some other old time dieselheads here that remembers when the DOT considered a turbo on a diesel as a muffler and those turbo's were stamped as certified DOT muffler. Never forget the first one I saw, I could not believe it, but there it was stamped on the turbo housing.

Author:	kjfishman [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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I think I am on the way to EGR failure number 2, check engine light is on and throwing egr codes at 24k. If I had a 3rd one go out after 36k and they tried to refuse it I would be making serious noise. We all need to make more noise so they fix the problem rather than just throw parts at it! We should all call the 800 number and voice concern.

Author:	retmil46 [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:48 pm ]
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I've decided to come up with my own backup plan in case ULSD doesn't cure the EGR problems. It's called a Mercedes-Benz 300D. And if worst comes to worst, I only owe 6K on the CRD. It could make one heck of a good down payment towards a E320 CDI.

Author:	oldnavy [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:31 am ]
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retmil46 wrote: I've decided to come up with my own backup plan in case ULSD doesn't cure the EGR problems. It's called a Mercedes-Benz 300D. And if worst comes to worst, I only owe 6K on the CRD. It could make one heck of a good down payment towards a E320 CDI. Speaking of MB CDI, do you see anything here that looks like it came off our CRD? Look on RR valve cover.

Author:	retmil46 [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:35 am ]
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You gotta be kidding me, they're going to make the same mistake AGAIN, on an MB engine? Looks like the bean counters are at work again, because the engine is going in a lowly Jeep and not an MB. If worst comes to worst, and I do decide to try going the E320 CDI route, you can be bloody sure I'll be popping the hood and takin a close look at it's CCV system. At least on the 320, it's an inline 6 3.2, hopefully with a better system installed.

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Author:	oldnavy [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:46 pm ]
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retmil46 wrote: You gotta be kidding me, they're going to make the same mistake AGAIN, on an MB engine? Looks like the bean counters are at work again, because the engine is going in a lowly Jeep and not an MB. If worst comes to worst, and I do decide to try going the E320 CDI route, you can be bloody sure I'll be popping the hood and takin a close look at it's CCV system. At least on the 320, it's an inline 6 3.2, hopefully with a better system installed. Where you been dude? The I6 is in it's last year and production stopped this past spring and now they are tooling up for the new Blutec V6 that I posted the picture of above. It will be in the Sprinter, E320, R-(same platform as Picifica) Class, and one SUV I believe it was ML-350 but don't remember for sure. Not only those cars (currently the GC has had the I6 CDI in it for several years in Europe) and as you mentioned the GC, the LX series in Chrysler/Dodge lineup and possiably the Durango since it is the same shared platform as the MB SUV that will have the V6 CDI diesel. D/C uses VW TDI diesel in the Caliber for Europe and there is talk of sales in US for late '07 MY or '08 MY. I would jump on one of those in a NY minute.

Author:	oldnavy [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:12 pm ]
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The following link list all the models for US and engines and the E, M and R will have the new V6 diesel engine for '07 MY cars. [url=http://www.emercedesbenz.com/May06/26_MBUSA_Releases_2007_Mercedes_Model_Information.html] MBUSA Releases 2007 Mercedes Model List Info[/url]

Author:	retmil46 [ Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:25 am ]
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Had a guy from the oncoming shift at work tonight tell me I was wasting my money buying a used MB diesel, for the same price ( about 8 grand) I could buy a new Japanese econobox that got even better fuel mileage. Common decency prevents me from quoting verbatim my reply, other than to say I questioned his basic intelligence and planet of origin.

Author:	oldnavy [ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:43 am ]
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retmil46 wrote: Had a guy from the oncoming shift at work tonight tell me I was wasting my money buying a used MB diesel, for the same price ( about 8 grand) I could buy a new Japanese econobox that got even better fuel mileage. Common decency prevents me from quoting verbatim my reply, other than to say I questioned his basic intelligence and planet of origin. Hehehehe crusty old dude when you are coming off shift ain't you.

Author:	retmil46 [ Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:42 am ]
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oldnavy wrote: retmil46 wrote: Had a guy from the oncoming shift at work tonight tell me I was wasting my money buying a used MB diesel, for the same price ( about 8 grand) I could buy a new Japanese econobox that got even better fuel mileage. Common decency prevents me from quoting verbatim my reply, other than to say I questioned his basic intelligence and planet of origin. Hehehehe crusty old dude when you are coming off shift ain't you. You oughta try me in the morning, before I've had my first pot of coffee. After the first two or three cups, I can start thinking about taking the hockey mask off.

Author:	oldnavy [ Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:15 am ]
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retmil46 wrote: You oughta try me in the morning, before I've had my first pot of coffee. After the first two or three cups, I can start thinking about taking the hockey mask off. Not like any wuss nuke bubble head CPO's I knew, they were drinking tea and eating crackers all day. I think you guys did too much hot bunking early on. Hey just kidding, nothing like poking fun at a group that used to be the cause of me working weekends and holidays. Pulling, working on or installing a scope under those conditions while the sub crew and most of the sub tender crew was on liberty never left us with a warm fuzzy for the 0's that were in charge. Worst New years day I had aboard a sub tender was doing a 3HEP on a scope and it cold enough there was ice in the bay.