Best lessons in life are the hardest learned
Stump you have learned the hard way for sure!

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

15x7 wheels with 7" BS and slightly smaller diameter tires than stock =
Spacer lift (cause its cheap) =
New tires (cause the ones he bought are now too small) =
New shocks (cuz I didn't replace them when I lifted) =
Spring lift (cause spacer lifts suck!!!) =
New OEM UCAs (cause they are cheaper than Al's and balljoints are toast) =
JBA arms (cause OEM replacement arm kept banging the springs) =
Looks like I'm seeing 6 alignments and alot of

Me too......

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2007 Light Khaki 4x2 Sport
- Debadged - LTT CAI with Amsoil Filter - JVC HD Radio - Infinity BassLink
- Iggee Seat Covers - Black Moabs - 265/75-16 Cooper Discoverer ATP - 4.10's
- DIY Franky sitting at 23.75" - Al's 4.5 UCAs - Trimmed F&R Bumpers
- Removed Rear Sway Bar - Removed Rear Vibration Damper
- 75k miles so far...

Not even gonna bother quoting that one but I know that my next rip down a reassemble is coming next week Not planning on looking "up" to tom anymore

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SOLD!!!
2005 Liberty Renegade
STT CustomSTUFF
4" Stump Lift.
JBA UCA's
245/75/16 GOODYEAR DURA TRACS


Thanks for throwing me under the bus Evil... Just remember this when you decide to turn yours back in to a... Real Jeep.

But you haven't seen mine in a while

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

Why do you think i'm sending all the pm's.... Numbers are more important than seeing.

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SOLD!!!
2005 Liberty Renegade
STT CustomSTUFF
4" Stump Lift.
JBA UCA's
245/75/16 GOODYEAR DURA TRACS


Thanks for throwing me under the bus Evil... Just remember this when you decide to turn yours back in to a... Real Jeep.

I was listening when you guys posted in my NEW Ties [Widest/Thickest] thread stating the following: "...if you truly want to go as wide as possible, get 245/70-16s. Those are identical to the diameter of your current tires, so your speedo will still be accurate...while at the same time they are wider than what you have." There are more posts along these lines. Now you guys are telling me that they will rub (after I bought my tires) And you say I am not listening; apparently I shouldn't have listened!

I understand I am looking at a wheel with a different offset than OEM; most of the wheels in our offset (+42mm) are car style wheels that don't have that truck (4x4) look to them. That's why I only ordered one wheel so I could test fit it first before I buy all five wheels. If the tire rubs a little I am willing to pound the pinch, heat the fog light access door areas and push it back with the hilt of a hammer, etc. If it rubs a lot, I am going to see if Cragar will custom make their 352 Series Black Street Lock "D" Window to match my OEM wheel offset (like Discount Tire recommended). But now it seems like Discount Tire is backing out on their word also since one associate I talked to said it would be no problem having Cragar make that wheel in a custom spec. (since they have done it before). The next day the store manager helped me out (since the other associate had the day off) and he said that it would be unlikely that Cragar would do that and was unsure what the other guy was talking about

Now I see why people claim Libertys are not Jeeps; they are built like cars, not like trucks/SUVs/etc...

The tires are fine on stock wheels or those close to stock but you keep talking about 8 inch wide wheels, thats where we were saying you weren't listening!
The KJ can befitted with other wheels etc but due to the nature of the wheelwells not unless its lifted, not much different than any other vehicle out there.
And having a huge company make 5 wheels to your specs is going to be very expensive, unless you are dealing with say Stockton Wheel, or some others who only make custom wheels

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

he stated that he purchased a 16x7 with 4" backspacing wheel to test fit.

the tires will fit fine stock suspension and stock wheels. the wheels you want to put on are same height and width as stock but will stick out 1.5" more. with that and the larger tire combined you will rub without more modification.

either way 8 inch which he talked about and then 7 inch with that backspacing its a no go,

lift it and be done!

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

Sorry to disagree with your disagreement long_tall_texan.
7" wheel with 4" BS = zero offset, 8" wheel with 4.5 BS = zero offset

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2004 Black Renegade, manual transmission, Frankenlifted, JBA 4.5 A-arms, 31" Super Swamper M16's on Pro Comp 8128 wheels, MagnaFlow exhaust, Volant cold air intake, and clear front signals.

I would like to lift my KJ, but it's only my winter vehicle and I want to sell it shortly for a JK. The JK I would use all year long since I would have an incentive to drive it in the Summer (removable hard top). My first modification to it is going to be a lift and BMF Wheels

i wouldnt waste money on it if you plan on getting rid of it. save the money for JK mods or down payment.

I was thinking it was going to stick out ~1.65" more than stock. How much modification do you think I am going to need to do to make that Cragar 352 Series Black Street Lock "D" Window (16x7 rim size, 5x4.5 bolt pattern, 0 offset, and 4 backspacing) not rub?

According to that chart, if I can get Cragar or Unique Wheel (since they are basically the same thing) to custom make that wheel in a 5.5" backspace and +38mm offset I should have no issues of rubbing. Is this correct?

Here's Cragar's 352 Series Black Street Lock "D" Window wheel:


Here's Unique Wheels' Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window wheel:


They look identical to one another! I was told that Cragar makes the wheels for Unique Wheel and that Unique Wheel just slaps their center cap on it.

Actually Unique makes Crager steel wheels,among other brands of steel wheels and your paying more $$$ for the other name.

OK... My Mistake. I misunderstood the actual measurements of BS. Offset is the distance from center of rim to the mounting surface. Backspacing is the measurement from the inner-most edge of the rim to the mounting surface. Most rims have a 1/2" (12 mm) lip. So that makes sense now.

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2007 Light Khaki 4x2 Sport
- Debadged - LTT CAI with Amsoil Filter - JVC HD Radio - Infinity BassLink
- Iggee Seat Covers - Black Moabs - 265/75-16 Cooper Discoverer ATP - 4.10's
- DIY Franky sitting at 23.75" - Al's 4.5 UCAs - Trimmed F&R Bumpers
- Removed Rear Sway Bar - Removed Rear Vibration Damper
- 75k miles so far...

Apparently Discount Tire ordered my rims from Unique Wheels instead of Cragar. I know they are basically the same thing, I just wanted to inform you so we are on the same page. My Unique Wheels Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window rim (16x7 rim size, 5x4.5 bolt pattern, 0 offset, and 4 backspacing) finally arrived so I could test fit it. The 0 offset rim rubbed with my LT245/70R16/D BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO tire and stock suspension. I need this rim in a 42 offset to make it fit properly with my set-up. Discount Tire call Unique Wheels to see if they could make their Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window rim in a 42 offset. Apparently they can't make this rim in that offset because of the rim's outer lock ring. I also called Diamond Racing Wheels [http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/]; they make custom steel wheels. On their site it states, "You name it, Diamond can build it!". They couldn't make me a steel rim with a 42 offset either. They said they can make rims in a lower offset, but not a higher offset. Thus, it looks like getting a steel rim with my current set-up is out of the picture. On a more positive note, I am very happy with my tires. They just clear the wheel well with the OE rims Here is a picture of the test fit (automatic camera phone flash = crappy photo):


I really like these wheels and would like to make them fit properly (without cutting my fender and pinch weld). I believe the only option I am left with is lifting my KJ; I think you guys saw this coming I am looking at the most cost efficient way to lift my KJ and make these wheels fit. FYI - I have never taken my KJ off road and don't plan on doing so anytime soon; I plan to keep it only on the streets. What size lift do I need to make these wheels fit? I am looking at this Rough Country 3" Suspension Lift Kit [http://tiny.cc/8ji1b]. What do you guys think about this kit?

Not worth the money....

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Zack A.
2005 Rocky Mountain Ed.
W4ZWA

After doing some more research and talking to my local shop, I narrowed my lift option down to the Daystar Comfort Ride Polyurethane Coil Spacer Lifts (2.5" Front/2.5" Rear) [http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DYS-KJ09116BK/]. This kit is appealing to me because: 1) It is cost efficient 2) I do not plan on going off road; strictly street use 3) Solely lifting to make Unique Wheels Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window rims [16x7 rim size, 5x4.5 bolt pattern, 0 offset, and 4 backspacing] fit properly (and of course for the badass look ). The maximum recommended tire size with this lift kit is 245/75/16. Do you guys think this lift kit will allow for these rims to fit properly with my LT245/70R16/D BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO tires and not rub?

You should be fine with a lift