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 Post subject: Consumer Reports Best All Terrain Tires 2008
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:06 am 
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I just got my issues in today and thought I would share :)
1 Pirelli Scorpion ATR
2 Yokohama Geolander A/T-s
3 Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo
4 Michelin LTX A/T 2
5 Toyo Open Country A/T
6 Kumho Road Venture AT KL78
7 Firestone Destination AT
8 Nitto Terra Grippler AT
9 Cooper Discoverer ATR
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14 General Grabber AT 2

And yes they did test the BFGs but they were not on the list of AT surprisingly. They did have spot 19 in All Season Tires Rugged Trail T/A

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Wow, that is very interesting....................... :?

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I am sorry but consumer reports is not even good bathroom reading
Lets keep in mind that year after year they rate almost every Jeep made lower than the rest in the "class"
but what they compare them to are not really in their class
KJ vs Rav4 and CRV ,really come on those are basically cars with big tires and only a shadow of what an SUV once was

I guess what I am saying is while they rated them as AT's I would bet that 90% or better was road testing
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I do like the Toyo Open Country All Terrain tire, I've never had them before, but I have considered putting them on my Dodge Cummins. And who knows, they might be a good tire for the KJ also…………………

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Hmm.

Guess that's why we've been getting so many calls about the yokohamas.

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I have had a pair of Yokos but they were the HT and...well...they were a good highway tire which is what they are meant for but when I took them offroad...well...if you read any of my previous posts you will see that I complained about leaving huge chunks out in the desert, lol. Overall they do have a pretty darn good product though.

As for the Pirelli, that is the tire I have on my wife's Rav and she loves them. She is a closet off roader, lol. She is the type to get that SUV that everyone says can't go off road and will tare it up when they are looking just to make a point but when asked about it she plays all naive.

My father in law also has them on his F-350 Super Duty and loves them. Toyo...didn't someone here run them for awhile...was it Incubusmike or TJKJ...I think it was one of those guys that had them. Can't remember what all they said about them though.

As for consumer reports, I would agree that a good portion of there info is goofy. But let's face it, everyone here could buy Yoko's and each one think or have a different experience with them. I just like that it is one more reference for certain things. Heck they had a section on batteries also in this issue and to add some salt to the wound, they said they were impressed with the Walmart Never Starts. Once again, you just never know. Look at my battery that lost it's top, not even 6 months old. Sheet happens.

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Yokohama makes a freakin awesome tire for the price. IMO they are close to Michelin in overall quality.


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Interesting - compare that to Tireracks survey

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=ORAT
1) Pirelli Scorpion
2) Firestone Destination
3) Michelin LTX AT 2
4) Goodyear Silent Armor
5) Bridgestone Revos
6) Yoko Geolander A/T-S
7) General Grabber AT 2
8 ) Kumho KL-78
9) BFG T/A KO
10) Michelin LTX AT

Tirerack doesn't include Cooper or Toyo and CR probably didn't test 2 Michelins - (and Rugged trails don't rate as well as TA KO)
only thing out - did CR test the Silent Armor?

Consumer Reports is not a 'bible' it's a data point.
Actually the key to understanding CR is to read the 'methods' they are internally consistent.
If you do exactly what they do - you'll get the same results they do.
but what they do, may not be anything close to what you do or what anyone rational would do.
and within 'Jeep class tests' they always rate Jeeps as very good offroad - they just don't consider that important.

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Rugged trails are not an all-terrain tire.

They're an overpriced garbage tire with crap wet weather/snow traction and should not ever be put on any vehicle for any reason.


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ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:
Yokohama makes a freakin awesome tire for the price. IMO they are close to Michelin in overall quality.


I've seen them at Sears sell for under $100 a tire.

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Interesting - compare that to Tireracks survey

4) Goodyear Silent Armor
7) Gereral Grabber AT 2
9) BFG T/A KO
10) Michelin LTX AT

I added these images to the list above so everyone can compare tread patterns, etc. :D

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I have the toyos on my Tahoe, love them, good in rain, decent in wet grass even. I had BFG's and my Astro didn't like them, the slipped everytime it rain, even my little ole 4.3 V6 spuns those 31's. I still don' tsee why the REvos rank so high, guess it's personal opinion, never like them at all. I may go with the Nitto Terra's next time since my Toyos are almost $200 per tire.

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 Post subject: Sumitomo HTR Sport A/T
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This was the best A/T tire that I have ever had. I don't know why this tire was not tested among the two parties that were posted.
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 Post subject: Re: Sumitomo HTR Sport A/T
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This was the best A/T tire that I have ever had. I don't know why this tire was not tested among the two parties that were posted.


It was #12 on Tirerack - I only listed top 10 - looks like not very many reviews and 1-2 negative will impact the average.
it looks like folks thought it was average in snow traction and ice

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I'm still diggin' my Fuzion's! May have to move them to the wife's 02 when I finally get those MOAB's installed. I think they are going to still have a lot of life left and can't see wasting them.

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Great Post Xodius

Despite advances in longer-lasting tires, actual tread life will vary by type of car, tire type (such as all season or performance tire), driver aggressiveness, and even road and weather conditions. Car owners still need to replace their tires a few times or more throughout the life of a typical vehicle. As the adage goes, nothing lasts forever.

Proper maintenance and responsible driving can maximize the mileage from a set of tires. Monthly tread inspections can inform when the tires warrant replacement, well in advance of the federally mandated tread-wear indicators. While 2/32 of an inch of tread depth is the legal limit, we recommend replacing tires sooner for those typically driving through poor weather. If you routinely drive in heavy rain or winter conditions, consider replacing the tires when the tread reaches a 4/32-inch depth. That can be measured with a quarter, held with Washington upside down. His head is at about 4/32 of an inch. Our tests show that there is a significant traction difference between 2/32 and 4/32 of an inch, with highway-speed braking differences measured in the tens of feet.

Once a need for new tires is determined, it is necessary to identify the best tires for your vehicle and driving demands.


WHAT'S AVAILABLE

There is a wide range of tires types and size available from popular brands such as Bridgestone, Dunlop, Goodyear, Michelin, and Pirelli. Prices vary by size, but typically range from $50 or less for all-season car tires to more than $150 for ultrahigh-performance tires. It pays to know what is currently on your vehicle and to learn about your options.

There are three basic types of tires--car, truck, and winter--and each has a few choices in each category.


CAR TIRES

Choice of a car tire depends on how you drive, type of tire included with your car, and the performance you want.

All-season tires come in sizes to fit everything from small cars to full-sized SUVs and pickups. They are for drivers who want year-round traction, long tread wear, and a comfortable ride.

Performance all-season tires have a higher speed rating than standard all-season tires. They generally provide better handling and braking, and usually have a lower profile (shorter sidewall height) and a wider footprint for sportier applications.

Ultra performance tires are commonly fitted to sedans or sporty vehicles. These tires are designed to provide good handling and responsive steering in wet and dry conditions, but the tread wear and ride comfort are common compromises. Summer versions are not intended for snowy or icy conditions. All-season versions tend to provide a compromise of dry and wet grip relative to summer tires for all weather conditions.


TRUCK TIRES

Because of their size, dynamics, and how they are used, trucks and SUVs often require special tires.

All-season truck tires are well-rounded and are good for on-road driving. They are designed to perform reasonably well in most conditions.

All-terrain tires are suited to paved roads and light-duty off-road use. They provide added traction on unpaved and snowy roads.


WINTER TIRES

If you drive often in wintry or icy conditions, then winter tires might make sense for you.

Winter tires have a mountain/snowflake symbol on the sidewall. It indicates that they passed an industry test for severe snow use. All the winter tires we tested carry that symbol. Don't be misled by an M&S (mud and snow) designation found on the sidewalls of a tire. That doesn't mean it's a winter tire; it means only that the tire has a relatively open tread pattern.

Winter tires have treads with more biting edges for better grip on snow and ice, while their softer compound remains flexible even in extremely low temperatures. But on cleared roads, they might not grip as well as all-season tires and they often wear more quickly.

Performance winter tires provide higher levels of snow and ice grip, but keep some of the handling and cornering capabilities of performance tires.


HOW TO CHOOSE

Put safety first. Look for tires that do well in our tests for braking, handling, and resistance to hydroplaning. Let tread wear, ride comfort, noise, and rolling resistance be tiebreakers. Our demanding tread-life tests demonstrate that a manufacturer's warranty doesn't always reflect how a tire will wear.

Read the fine print. The warranties manufacturers provide for their tires are pro-rated; the more miles on the tire, the less credit you get on a replacement. And most tire warranties only cover damage resulting from regular use and don't cover damage resulting from potholes or other road hazards.

Know your tire's size. To find the size and type of tire recommended by the manufacturer of your vehicle, check the placard in the doorjamb or glove compartment, on the fuel-filler door, or in the owner's manual.

Taking the P205/55R16 94V tire as an example, the P prefix denotes a passenger-car tire, although many light-duty trucks use tires with this designation, as well. LT is the designation for tires that are typically used on larger or heavy-duty light trucks. Some tires omit either prefix.

The 205 is the tire cross-section width in millimeters, and 55 is the ratio of sidewall height to cross-section width (55 percent). R means radial-ply construction. And 16 is the wheel diameter in inches. The number 94 corresponds to the tire's maximum load capacity. The letter V is the speed rating indicating the maximum sustained speed, in this case up to 149 mph.

Speed rating. Although we recommend buying tires with the same or greater speed rating as the original equipment tires, winter tires are the exception. When possible, look for winter tires with a speed rating that is close to or the same as the original tires they replace.

Shop around. Tire prices can vary widely by region, retailer, or even by the changing price of the raw materials used to produce them.

Check independent tire dealers, online or mail-order stores, tire chains, car dealerships, department stores, and warehouse clubs. Be sure to ask whether the price includes mounting, balancing, and new valves, which can increase total cost.

Buy fresh. Look at the sidewall of a tire for a designation beginning with DOT (for Department of Transportation). The last four digits of the designation indicate the week and year of manufacture. For example, 3307 means the tire was made during the 33rd week of 2007. Don't purchase tires that are more than a few years old.

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 Post subject: All Seasons
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The General Grabber HTS earned the top spot among all-season tires and the Pirelli Scorpion ATR rated highest among all-terrain tires, based primarily on impressive grip in dry and wet conditions.
All tire models were tested in a size, (P)265/70R17, commonly used on trucks. We expect our results would be comparable for other similarly-sized tires. Tests were performed on a 2007 Chevrolet Silverado pickup and a 2007 Chevy Suburban.

The prices we paid for the all-season truck tires ranged from $98 to $165 each; for the all-terrain, from $96 to $163; and for the winter tires, from $80 to $131. Prices will vary depending on the retailer, location, and the size of tire you need. Also, since we purchased these tires last fall, manufacturers have raised prices 5 to 10 percent or more to offset the higher cost of oil, which affects the raw materials used in the tires and shipping expenses.

SUV & pickup tires review: All-season vs. all-terrain
All-season tires, like those found on passenger cars, are designed to wear well and to provide good performance under a variety of road and weather conditions. All-terrain tires generally have a deeper, more open tread pattern than all-season tires for off-road grip.

Most of the all-season tires we tested for this SUV and pickup tires review performed very well in dry braking, handling, and hydroplaning resistance. The tires produced a wide range of tread life and rolling-resistance ratings. But the fact that a number of all-season models with very good tread-life ratings were ranked near the bottom in overall performance shows that it’s necessary to look at the big picture when choosing tires.

The top-rated all-season tire, the General Grabber HTS, has excellent handling and braking grip, good snow traction and rolling resistance, and very good ride comfort and noise. Its shortcomings were fair ratings for braking on ice and tread life.

Many all-terrain tires scored lower in handling and rolling resistance than the all-season models in our SUV and pickup truck review. But they do have impressive hydroplaning resistance. Some all-terrain models are designed with a focus on off-road grip, which can compromise their on-road performance. We rated only on-road performance, however, because most vehicles that use these tires are driven mainly on pavement.

The top all-terrain tire, the Pirelli Scorpion ATR, offers impressive dry and wet braking and hydroplaning resistance and good snow traction. But it has relatively poor rolling resistance and only fair braking on ice.

Real-world tread wear ratings
For the first time, we’ve included tread-life ratings for all-season and all-terrain truck tires. These indicate a model’s tread wear potential, as evaluated on a 16,000-mile test conducted at an outside lab. Results show that the fastest-wearing models are predicted to wear out at about 40,000 miles; those with the best wear potential will last for almost 90,000 miles.

We also found examples where our real-world results didn’t match the manufacturer warranties or the tread-wear ratings on tire sidewalls. Several tires with relatively long tread-wear warranties and high government ratings wore quickly in our tests. And the BFGoodrich Rugged Trail T/A, which had the longest tread life in the all-season group, has the lowest government tread-wear rating and no tread-wear warranty.

We recommend you consider a tire’s overall performance first and use tread life as a tiebreaker.


HOW TO CHOOSE

Choose a model that excels in the areas that are most important to you.

All-season or all-terrain?
Some automakers advise sticking with the tire type the vehicle originally came with. Consult the owner’s manual to see if a specific type is recommended. You can often improve on-road handling by switching from an all-terrain tire to an all-season.

Get the same size
Choose the same size that originally came on your vehicle, with the same speed rating or higher. Also, choose tires with a load-index number at least as high as that listed on the tire information placard usually located inside the driver’s doorjamb. This placard also shows the size and the automaker’s recommended inflation pressure. Maximum load and pressure specs are on the tire sidewall. Key specifications should also be in the owner’s manual.

Put safety before fuel mileage
Look for a tire that scored well in braking, handling, and resistance to hydroplaning. Also look for competent winter-driving scores for cold-weather driving. Then use lower rolling resistance and tread life as tiebreakers.

Don't get fooled by the name game
Tires can affect an SUV's stability. That's why some automakers, notably Ford, advise sticking with the type of tire that originally came on your vehicle. But as we found, some tire manufacturers make it difficult to identify which type of tire you're buying.

Shop around
Tire prices vary widely. Along with local retailers and major tire chains, shop new-vehicle dealers. Also check online and mail-order retailers, which tend to offer low prices and a wide selection, and can ship tires for a fee to your dealer or service station.

If you buy tires locally, ask whether tire mounting and balancing, as well as new tire valves, are included in the price you're quoted.

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All-terrain truck tires are designed to be used both on-road and in moderate off-road conditions, unlike the mainstream all-season tires that come on most new SUVs and pickup trucks. (See our report on SUV and pickup all-season tires.) The best tires in this test were impressive in our all-weather braking, handling, and hydroplaning resistance tests. But like all tires, each one has some compromising features.
The top-performing all-terrain tire is the Pirelli Scorpion ATR. It offers impressive dry and wet braking, hydroplaning resistance, and good snow traction. But it has relatively poor rolling resistance and is just fair in braking on ice. Other very good choices include the second- and third-place finishers, the Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo. Both performed very well overall, but the Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S is better suited for use in climates with less severe winters.

Many all-terrain tires scored lower in handling and rolling resistance than the all-season models. But they do have impressive hydroplaning resistance. Some all-terrain models are designed with a focus on off-road grip, which can compromise their on-road performance. We rated only on-road performance, however, because most vehicles that use these tires are driven mainly on pavement.

These tires all carry a passenger-car-size designation and are good for light-duty off-road traction. But most people who buy these tires rarely venture off-road. In comparison, the tires that deliver maximum off-road grip, at the expense of on-road performance, often carry the "LT"—light-truck size—designation.

The majority of new pickup trucks and SUVs come equipped with all-season tires as standard equipment, although all-terrain tires are typically found on vehicles with off-road packages. Still, when considering tire type, consult the owner’s manual to see if all-season or all-terrain tires are recommended. Some auto makers advise sticking with the tire type the vehicle originally came with.

The tested tires have a multiblock tread design intended to grip well on pavement, sand, gravel, and snow-packed surfaces. We tested 14 models, all size (P)265/70R17, and they can serve as a yardstick for other similarly-sized tires in the passenger-car-size designation. According to the Rubber Manufacturers Association, this size was one of the most common in 2007. Most of the tires have an S speed rating good for up to 112 mph. Tread-wear warranties ranged from none to 70,000 miles.

As in previous tests, the light-truck tires were evaluated on our new hydroplaning test surface to determine hydroplaning resistance. In addition, we used a concrete road surface built to highway standards to evaluate noise. Tires were evaluated in terms of all-weather performance attributes, including grip on dry and wet surfaces, and snow and ice; handling; hydroplaning resistance; ride and noise comfort; and rolling resistance. This year we included tread-life ratings based on vehicle tread-wear testing, assessing wear potential from our 16,000 mile test, and used these ratings along with the other tests to arrive at the overall score.

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You need to subscribe to www.consumerreports.org Just put in your credit card info to access or you can buy the Nov copy at newsstands.

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