MT/R's in snow

InCommando · **Posted:** Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:56 pm

I have read some posts stating that the MT/R's were no good in snow. I disagree. The tread design leads me to believe they may not be great on icy pavement or on a tiny bit of snow on pavement, but in deeper snow these perform very well.

Yesterday we had 3" of snow, followed by about 2" of pure tree-breaking ice, and then 9" of snow. Taking the opportunity to play with my new lift & tires, I was everywhere. On pavement & off. These tires rocked. True, they have less than 1,000 miles on them and the edges are nice & sharp, but I was very happy with them. Had I not been alone, there might have been some pics.

jeepkj02 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:40 pm

I don't think any A/T or M/T tire is great in ice, slush, or snow under 2". I know my Firestone A/Ts are not so great! I would give it a 2.5 out of 5 stars!! But in deep snow I would give it a 3.5-4 out of 5 stars. Next winter (which I'm NOT looking forward to!!) I might be looking into some winter tires.

Guest · **Posted:** Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:51 pm

InCommando wrote:

I have read some posts stating that the MT/R's were no good in snow. I disagree. The tread design leads me to believe they may not be great on icy pavement or on a tiny bit of snow on pavement, but in deeper snow these perform very well.

Yesterday we had 3" of snow, followed by about 2" of pure tree-breaking ice, and then 9" of snow. Taking the opportunity to play with my new lift & tires, I was everywhere. On pavement & off. These tires rocked. True, they have less than 1,000 miles on them and the edges are nice & sharp, but I was very happy with them. Had I not been alone, there might have been some pics.

You are correct. in DEEPER snow, the MTRs are GREAT. But when you have just a light dusting, I'm all over the place.

Mine are down to about 8/32 so it's time to start shopping. They've actually gotten BETTER with wear in inclement weather. However, I've definitely had better aggressive tires in the snow.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:59 pm

I've had real good performance from MT/R's on all surfaces even ice but that front DTT helped there.Wish it where easy to find a complete set of five 35" MT/R's :evil:

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Albert · **Posted:** Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:40 pm

Ice is tough. You just need to take it easy and drive for the road conditions. We get a lot of snow here and I am running A/T's and no problems. The storm before last was extreemly icy and I had to stop going up an icy hill because the truck ahead of me was sideways on the hill. I thought oh crap, I am next, but the KJ just went right up the hill. Maybe I just got lucky or something. My OEM Badyears HP's were absolutely horrible in the winter and I took them off right away after several storms. They were not even on for 6 months.

As far as MT/R's go, just take it easy. Anybody can spin ANY tire on ice/snow, but a little easy throttle and those MT/R's should be ok.

XR · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:17 am

I wheel in the snow with my MT/Rs.They perform well in snow.On pavement in deeper snow they'll dig and hunt for traction and that can make the ride a little squirrelly but it's not a problem.When my Jeep was new I had a set of Pirelli Scorpion A/Ts that kicked booty in the snow.They kinda sucked off road so I sold them.

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:30 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

I've had real good performance from MT/R's on all surfaces even ice but that front DTT helped there.Wish it where easy to find a complete set of five 35" MT/R's :evil:

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you like the MT/R's over the Toyo MT's your putting on your soon to be SFA?

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:57 am

I like my MTs in the snow, they work real good until you get on ice but theres not much that does good on ice

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:10 am

0311_DoC wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

I've had real good performance from MT/R's on all surfaces even ice but that front DTT helped there.Wish it where easy to find a complete set of five 35" MT/R's :evil:

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you like the MT/R's over the Toyo MT's your putting on your soon to be SFA?

Yes I do but like I said try and find five 35" MT/R's,next to impossible due to them all going to Afghanistan for SF use.

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:38 am

what on earth are Special Forces doing wtih 35x1250-15 MT/R's? What're they putting them on?

bugnout · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:55 am

I sipped my MTR's, and think they perform better than any truck tire I've tried in the slush, rain and on ice.

It makes a big difference. (and they stick like glue on slick rock)

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:40 pm

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

what on earth are Special Forces doing wtih 35x1250-15 MT/R's? What're they putting them on?

Ford Ranger diesels,the terrain there is brutal.The average road there is about a level 3 trail(1 to 5 scale) and razor rocks are very common,not to mention land mines.

Inc · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:20 am

bugnout wrote:

I sipped my MTR's, and think they perform better than any truck tire I've tried in the slush, rain and on ice.

It makes a big difference. (and they stick like glue on slick rock)

Any pics of your sipping?

bugnout · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:44 am

These MTR's were new (well almost) so I had them done on the machine at Discount tire. They are straight cut across the tread, about 1/2 inch between each sipp. I'll see if I can snap something this weekend.

I sipped my son's Continental contitracs myself. They had about 40k miles on them (60k tire) had plenty of tread, but were a very hard rubber that just didn't grip. sipping them gave them new life.

Inc wrote:

bugnout wrote:

I sipped my MTR's, and think they perform better than any truck tire I've tried in the slush, rain and on ice.

It makes a big difference. (and they stick like glue on slick rock)

Any pics of your sipping?

Inc · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:12 am

bugnout wrote:

These MTR's were new (well almost) so I had them done on the machine at Discount tire. They are straight cut across the tread, about 1/2 inch between each sipp. I'll see if I can snap something this weekend.

I sipped my son's Continental contitracs myself. They had about 40k miles on them (60k tire) had plenty of tread, but were a very hard rubber that just didn't grip. sipping them gave them new life.

Inc wrote:

bugnout wrote:

I sipped my MTR's, and think they perform better than any truck tire I've tried in the slush, rain and on ice.

It makes a big difference. (and they stick like glue on slick rock)

Any pics of your sipping?

I'm really interested to see how this turned out. Been interested in doing this on my next set of tires.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:08 am

Inc wrote:

I'm really interested to see how this turned out. Been interested in doing this on my next set of tires.

I didn’t know that was even possible! :shock:

So you can add your own sipping?

I must be behind on the times, because that’s really cool…………

Tell me more, tell me more! :idea:

Inc · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:11 am

Tons of the Rock Crawlers to do it. There are actual tires sold with no sipping so you can do it all yourself. The BFG Cralwers can come that way.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:23 am

Inc wrote:

Tons of the Rock Crawlers to do it. There are actual tires sold with no sipping so you can do it all yourself. The BFG Cralwers can come that way.

So what is the advantage of a non-sipped tire? Meaning, why wouldn’t all tires come from the manufacture already sipped?

Excellent website: http://www.sipers.com/sipers/index_large.asp

Inc · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:48 pm

There is nothing wrong with most of the tires that people use, like the MTR and other MTs, but for those that want more grip, they can do their own tires.
Here are the BFG Crawlers that come unsipped.

And different ways to sipe them

Step by step

More edges mean more parts to grip rocks and terrain, but also means more wear on them. I think manufacturers go for a balance and those that sipe more on their tires look for more grip and aren't too worried about extra edges to get worn down.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:46 pm

Good job INC, that’s a perfect “visual” illustration. What you have identified as sipes is what I would call grooves. I was thinking that the smaller wave-like sipes were only the small slits on the tread blocks. In this case scenario, you are referring to sipes as the grooves in-between the blocks. I guess my definition of sipes has broadened.

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