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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:39 am 
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Well, as we were saying over in the "Next QLD Run " thread, theres been a little talk about my gearbox, so I thought I'd continue in its own self important thread :P


So I went down to Jeep this morning and after a little look see and a bit of a drive around, it was thought that the vibration and grinding feeling is actually the exhaust system banging on either the transmission itself or the body when you put the engine under load, apparently the engine and gearbox get a little twist and that contacts the exhaust system. I only had the noise in reverse, but, after leaving Jeep, it started coming in and out going forwards, just as I would start to load up the engine giving it a bit of gas (not putting my foot down or anything, just not when coasting along).


Sooooooooo.... I stopped in at the place I had the exhast done and they said yes, it does seem to have a little play in it and they coulod see where it had been bagging against the feul tank skid , so, yes there may be some contact there, but is it enough to make me think that there is something amiss with the gearbox......I'll find out Saturday wheen I 'm booked in to have the exhast re-hung with a few bends to clear it away from anything. So after that, hopefully all with be perfect again :wink:

Still, I asked about the shudder I get when I'm on a steep downhill incline, and they thought it was the same thing, so I'll get the engine and gearbox mounts checked as well, because if I'm getting that much movemnt, something may be wrong there????.

Been doing a bit of asking about the reverse gear and not going anywhere issue that you guys have had as well.
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Sorry to read that you've got problems and I hope that its nothing major....

I have to ask if there were any initial signs? Mine has gradually been getting worse in reverse, even when I swap back to the 'little' tyres. Slow, load type work eg. backwards up a slope just goes nowhere regardless of revs.

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Seems that it is part of the torque control the car has. In 2wd if you are on a bit of a steep incline (the exit of my driveway is where it mostly can happen to me) the ECU limits the power the torque converter will transfer from engine to gearbox to "not overload" the gearbox/driveline, as we have seen, you can basically stop, have NO wheel spin and you can put your foot to the floor and the engine will not rev over 2000rpm, you still don't get wheel spin (if you are on reasonable solid ground) the ECU is "limiting" everything. And remember with the bigger tyres most of us are running that also adds more resistance, thus the ECU limits even more power. Yes, I know that we would simplily prefer it gave us more when we put our foot down, but, its not designed that way. Mostly happens to mine when its cold, and Yes, when you put it in 4Hi you have no worries, mainly because the ECU has a different set of torque parameters that do not limit the driveline as much, because the drive is also going to the front it knows it can allow more power through the transmission. And again when we select 4Lo, a different set of parameters are used which pretty much don't limit the power at all. Once you understand that this is how they designed the system to work you realise that yours is not so much not working as, It is working properly, the way it was designed. I myself have found that just driving around in 2wd the grearbox still at times hunts around the gears, jumping down inappropiately at times, not as bad since I did the "pinion reset" but, still in around the 60kph area , what I decribe as "a little indecsive" now, when I put it into 4Fulltime (safe for on road as its just really all wheel drive) the ECU uses a different set of parameters for the gearbox and it seems to hold in gear much much better, when going up a slight hill it "holds" the gear longer before just going into top, locking up the torque converter and then struggling because its in too high a gear (what normally happens in 2wd) then having to do a big change down and revs go through the roof, in 4 Fulltime, it holds the lower gear all the way up the hill, and only after a really back off when at the top of the hill does it go up to Top gear. Another little trick I have found is with the accellerator pedal, when you are starting to go up a hill, and you just keep putting you foot down further and further, you may find the car just seems to not be going any faster, you can hear that the torque converter has locked up and the car just stays in top gear and struggles slowing down as it goes, then, all of a sudden it does the big change down in gears and revs and off you go...., well....instead of just putting your foot down when you hear the car starting to labor a little just slightly lift your foot on the pedal for a moment, that will unlock the torque converter and the gearbow will acually drop down a gear and pull up the hill a lot better and without all the fuss. Just a tip thats, works every time for me, you'll see your taco just rise up a little thats the torque converter unlocking. Most of this is because of the larger tyres and the gearing, thats why I have a had a conversation with a guy this moring about the 4.11 gears, they will bring the ratios back to standard with the 31' tyres so it will be like driving a standard KJ again. Hoping its not going to cost tooo much, but, thinking that with the correct ratios, feul economy will also increase as I won't be wasting power turing over too high a gear all the time, so should pay for themselves.

Hope that helps some and lets you know where I'm at with mine. I'll keep updating here on events as they happen

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WOW...lot of food for thought there cmohr...
So hopefully that IS good news for you (and your wallet!!)
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Mannnn thanks a lot for me to digest al at once!!! :? Hopefully that means all good news for you. I very interested in the effect on fuel consumption. I will keep watching this space!! :?

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Mannnn thanks a lot for me to digest al at once!!! :? Hopefully that means all good news for you. I very interested in the effect on fuel consumption. I will keep watching this space!! :?




Hahaha, Yes I have a perpencity for waffling on :P only outdone by my Dad...and he went to war, and drove a Jeep once down a hill, and then if you take a little more off the sides and leave the top a little longer, that changes everything, I met Arther Nash once, and I told him he needs to hold his arms straighter, That Richard Johnson...he still owes me money for doing the seats in his XA.........



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Hahaha, Yes I have a perpencity for waffling on :P only outdone by my Dad...and he went to war, and drove a Jeep once down a hill, and then if you take a little more off the sides and leave the top a little longer, that changes everything, I met Arther Nash once, and I told him he needs to hold his arms straighter, That @$#% Johnson...he still owes me money for doing the seats in his XA.........
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Well.....

I had all sorts of bad noises all week, sometimes they where there, somtimes nothing, sometimes forwards most times backwards.

It seems, when I got down to the exhast shop, that they found a dirty great big rock wedged in under the exhast and the transmission skid plate, it would take all the engine/driveline vibration(esp in rev) and transfer it thru the body of the car, no wonder it sounded and felt so terrible, when the engine/gearbox would twist as you applied power the exhast would crush down on the rock and bash on the skid plate.


I'm very happy and relieved that it was not more serious, I tell you , I sounded Bad...and when they 1st told me that they thought it was the exhast, I was very sceptical, but Iwas, in matter of speaking the cause. I had the exhast re-hung, and a protective metal plate/strip welded to the mufflers to protect them a little from rocks and wotnot, all for the amasing price of $20.00.


Now, to get those 4.10 gears on the way, OH, and I have found some very nice Alloys that I am seriously thinking of getting, 16x8's with 4.75' backspacing, aprox $250.00 each, and I know there are 12 of em :P , here in Australia. And I'm hoping to get 5 of em. They are very special. More on that later.

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Cmohr, so you got anymore tales of woe or any interesting facts?

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Cmohr, so you got anymore tales of woe or any interesting facts?



Bananas are not fruit, they are a herb :wink: and even though they are yellow, like corn, cannot be used like corn to make nacho's.

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I thought I told you I dont like corn!!!!!!! :!:

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I thought I told you I dont like corn!!!!!!! :!:



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Unbelievable really. ormaybe a touch corny :?: :?:

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Nup............It's broken again.... Nobody can say these KJ's aren't "Real Jeeps", cause they break just as easy as all the rest..

Some big time clucking in the front suspension going on, It's not exhaust or a rock this time though :cry: , looks like I have a fair amount of play in the control arms and the front diff seems to be easy to move around. May have done a mount or bolt or something, will have a good look tommorow morning.

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Nup............It's broken again.... Nobody can say these KJ's aren't "Real Jeeps", cause they break just as easy as all the rest..

Some big time clucking in the front suspension going on, It's not exhaust or a rock this time though :cry: , looks like I have a fair amount of play in the control arms and the front diff seems to be easy to move around. May have done a mount or bolt or something, will have a good look tommorow morning.

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darn that's no good at all.
Keep us updated.

Maybe some corn will fix it. :shock:

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Nup............It's broken again.... Nobody can say these KJ's aren't "Real Jeeps", cause they break just as easy as all the rest..

Some big time clucking in the front suspension going on, It's not exhaust or a rock this time though :cry: , looks like I have a fair amount of play in the control arms and the front diff seems to be easy to move around. May have done a mount or bolt or something, will have a good look tommorow morning.

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If anyone suggests it was caused by the huge weight in the passenger seat when you went up the hill at Coffs, I'll sue.

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cmohr wrote:
Nup............It's broken again.... Nobody can say these KJ's aren't "Real Jeeps", cause they break just as easy as all the rest..

Some big time clucking in the front suspension going on, It's not exhaust or a rock this time though :cry: , looks like I have a fair amount of play in the control arms and the front diff seems to be easy to move around. May have done a mount or bolt or something, will have a good look tommorow morning.

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Faaaaaaark :shock: hope it's easily sorted Cmohr.

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NoT Good Cmohr. Coincidently I'm just heading off to the Mechanics to check out a rather strange sounding noise and vibration through the car.

Iam hoping it is maybe just the skid plate has pushed against exhaust. It looks to be hard up against the transmission casing though. I did come down hard on the rock ledge after the creek crossing at Camp Coffs. I guess watch this space.

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Haha, Yes Chris , I forgot I had that "extra weight" there......




SO IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Yes Greg, these things do develop a lot of clunks. Mind you, I think mine all stems from a big trip a few years ago, roads were absolutely the worst, so it doesn't really surprise me. I kinda always had a little clunk, but only when I really hit the big stuff offroad, now, its just all the time, so I guess its been 3 yrs in the making. :wink:

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I was just outside looking at the KJ and found a heap of loos play in the left bushing that attaches the swaybar link to the lower control arm, I've tightened the poo out of the bolts, its better, but still I think its all the bushing though the front end that may be cactus, as well as the diff mounts. I have a number of a place that manufactures Nolathane bushing to order so I think I'll call them and see what they can do.

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