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Author:  Hood297 [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  water for fuel!
what do yall think of this?

I think its a scam. I dont think the claims made could be factual.


maybe someone knows more than I do about it.

http://www.water-4-fuel.com/
Author:  Fulltimer [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:12 pm ]
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Snake oil!! :lol:

Terry
Author:  Pote [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:05 pm ]
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Must be great fun to have a canning jar of water under your hood when its negative 5 degrees outside.
Author:  Albert [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:16 pm ]
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I'm experimenting in my garage right now with bananna fuel technology and I will sell it cheap to you guys as soon as I dig my way out of this pile of banana peels......
Author:  Fulltimer [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:20 pm ]
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Albert wrote:
I'm experimenting in my garage right now with banana fuel technology and I will sell it cheap to you guys as soon as I dig my way out of this pile of banana peels......


Back in the 60's some dummies thought you could get high from smoking dried banana peels! There was a song about it: "They Call It Mellow Yellow" or Mellow Yellow. :lol:

Terry
Author:  Albert [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:24 pm ]
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Fulltimer wrote:
Albert wrote:
I'm experimenting in my garage right now with banana fuel technology and I will sell it cheap to you guys as soon as I dig my way out of this pile of banana peels......


Back in the 60's some dummies thought you could get high from smoking dried banana peels! There was a song about it: "They Call It Mellow Yellow" or Mellow Yellow. :lol:

Terry


Then I can make joints out of the banana peels........good idea.
Author:  Reflex [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:33 pm ]
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It always amazes me that people buy into that type of stuff. It defies common sense and plays off of what people do not understand about science.
Author:  Hood297 [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:36 am ]
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I bet that guy is making a killing on selling that crap for 100 bucks a peice!
Author:  Reflex [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 am ]
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If I had the time and money I'd love suing someone like that into the ground.
Author:  Jeepman56 [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:51 pm ]
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Even if it did work it would be a futile effort as the next big shortage that people will be going to war over (after oil) will in fact be water.
Author:  jeepkj02 [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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This just proves how desperate people are...I mean come on! Your truck is NEVER going to get 30MPG!! If you want that kind of miles get a prius or something. People are so stupid!! :roll:
Author:  Reflex [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:35 pm ]
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Jeepman56 wrote:
Even if it did work it would be a futile effort as the next big shortage that people will be going to war over (after oil) will in fact be water.

Actually there is less available potable water than there is oil, and there is far greater demand. I think water is the next big crisis, long before oil is a consideration.
Author:  MaineSleddah [ Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:14 pm ]
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Water injection systems have been used on the drag strips for years guys. I work with a guy who made his own and drags a buick grand national 3.8l supercharged motor and water injection boosted horse power 30%...
Food for thought.
Author:  Reflex [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:22 am ]
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Water itself is considered an 'ash'. That means it contains no energy in and of itself, although it can be used to generate energy when other factors are at work(kinetic for instance).
Author:  ShafferNY [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:36 pm ]
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Check out Brown's Gas, or HHO, or Oxyhydrogen.

This is the theory behind it.

Does it work?

I don't know. It seems kinda simple to me. But then again, good inventions or discoveries usually are.

Before I buy anything I usually research the heck out of it.
Author:  ShafferNY [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame
Author:  ShafferNY [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame
Author:  Reflex [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:38 am ]
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ShafferNY wrote:
Check out Brown's Gas, or HHO, or Oxyhydrogen.

This is the theory behind it.

Does it work?

I don't know. It seems kinda simple to me. But then again, good inventions or discoveries usually are.

Before I buy anything I usually research the heck out of it.

These things are very well understood scientifically, and they are energy deficits. That means you'll always spend more energy creating them then you will consuming them. They do provide material for scam artists however.
Author:  go5dune [ Sun May 18, 2008 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  HHO
So i know it does sound crazy but yes you can use water for fuel... well not water per say in this instance but hyrdogen rather or more specifically HHO or Browns Gas (because is brownish... clever eh?)

so heres the run down, first you need an HHO Generator, theres tons of ways to make em they way i made it was using two mason jars with electrode towers and air intake/ gas expellsion fittings, relief valve and of course the positive and negative for your battery connection on both which you wire in series. i can get some pictures for you guys, my set up is a little more sophisticated then some out there, trust me theres a lot! what you are doing is using a electrolosis to seperate your two hydrogens from your oxygen, the displacement from your engine creates the vacuum that sucks the HHO gas through vacuum hoses first from your generator then through a bubbler then into your air intake/ throttle body. so now the myths, no it doesnt suck water into your engine, hince the bubblers purpose, no its not just tap water, its distilled water with a teaspoon of baking soda, and no your not wasting energy trying to create it, it takes a very minimal amount of voltage (less than a stereo) and no doesnt make your engine run harder to keep up with production (alternator) HHO is about 300X more effecient than gasoline/crude oils, you you only need to add about an 1/8 inch of water to tap it off at fill ups (even if you have to) you creat it based of consumption, so your not storing compressed hydrogen (Hindenburg) and better yet its byproduct of combustion readily returns to h20 when released back into the ozone. its very easy on a carb'd vehicle but not impossible on fuel injected ECU'd vehicle, this man (a jeeper and liberty owner http://www.madcosm.com/index.htm ) sells the box to control your 02 sensor as well as has tons of free information on how you can build your own HHO generator, and controller and other info, youtube also has some interesting videos (and i know youtube is about as good as wikipedia BUT) if you dig enough you can find theres alot of truth. Matter of fact the original patent was bought out in the late 70s by big oil... this deosnt replace gas, but it does supplement allowing you to use less gas, save some money and hopefully make way for some newer technologies for more sutainable energies.

i will try to get some pics.

by the way the us military has contracted a Humvee to run on Gas and HHO, Cali's Arnold is currently driving an HHO hummer i believe and Mazda has some HHO rotary technologies in the works that are straight up amazing shown at the 08 detriot auto show. just my 2 cents but hey, it might save you a whole lot more eh?
Author:  nalu [ Tue May 27, 2008 3:32 am ]
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I have been playing with one on my 05 CRD. I am definitely producing HHO (Brown's gas). Gas mileage is a little better, but it also runs as good as if I had put cetane boost into my fuel. Not much benefit, but water is way cheaper than cetane booster. I believe I could get more of an advantage with a larger generator. I've only been playing with it for a month, so maybe I'll get better results the more I dial it in. Definitely a project for someone who is willing to experiment with it. Don't buy into something that you think that you can just install and get it to work right immediately. I also have no way of controlling my fuel supply, which I think is the trick to actually getting better mileage out of it.
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