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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:37 am 
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So after replacing all of the window regulators at least once and two of them twice under warranty I bought a Steiger kit last year for the passenger rear and had it installed. Like it's predecessors it waited until I was on a road trip to fail. :furious:

If my mechanic is open today I'll have him check it out and report back what the specific failure was.

This is getting to be regodd@%$diculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
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This seems like an unusually high rate of failure. Analytically I would say it is likely that something is causing the regulators to fail. It seems like you may be saying that the regulators are faulty or the design is flawed???


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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:04 am 
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This seems like an unusually high rate of failure. Analytically I would say it is likely that something is causing the regulators to fail. It seems like you may be saying that the regulators are faulty or the design is flawed???
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You obviously have a superior intellect. Do you suppose there's any chance of succeeding in a class action civil lawsuit?

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
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AZ CRD wrote:
robotmind wrote:
This seems like an unusually high rate of failure. Analytically I would say it is likely that something is causing the regulators to fail. It seems like you may be saying that the regulators are faulty or the design is flawed???
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You obviously have a superior intellect. Do you suppose there's any chance of succeeding in a class action civil lawsuit?

No since all KJ's were produced before Chrysler went bankrupt,they are not responsible(well Fiat is not) for stuff before the bankrupt.If they so choose to they can but are not required to.


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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:40 am 
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AZ CRD wrote:
. Do you suppose there's any chance of succeeding in a class action civil lawsuit?


There is ALWAYS a chance but it can be awfully small :-)r

A judge in New York has ruled that "new car company" can not be held responsible for "old car company's" problems :furious:

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:54 am 
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AZ CRD wrote:
robotmind wrote:
This seems like an unusually high rate of failure. Analytically I would say it is likely that something is causing the regulators to fail. It seems like you may be saying that the regulators are faulty or the design is flawed???
:lol:


You obviously have a superior intellect. Do you suppose there's any chance of succeeding in a class action civil lawsuit?

No since all KJ's were produced before Chrysler went bankrupt,they are not responsible(well Fiat is not) for stuff before the bankrupt.If they so choose to they can but are not required to.
No wonder Daimler ditched this worthless (literally) company leaving it for dead for the Italian scavengers. :dead:

Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. I hope those lazy UAW f%^s at Chrysler enjoy their welfare while it lasts.

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:57 am 
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AZ CRD wrote:
Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. .

Good luck with those,same problems you have now but parts are 3 times as expensive :-)r


Kinda odd though as my KJ has been flawless for the past 9 years,one of the best vehicles I have ever owned out of the 50+ I have had over the last 20+ years.


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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:19 pm 
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tjkj2002 wrote:
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Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. .

Good luck with those,same problems you have now but parts are 3 times as expensive :-)r


Kinda odd though as my KJ has been flawless for the past 9 years,one of the best vehicles I have ever owned out of the 50+ I have had over the last 20+ years.



We've owned 3 KJs.. the current which has 93K on the clock now, and we have had ZERO window regulator failures. Odd...

(Now I hope I haven't cursed myself. :| )

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:58 pm 
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tjkj2002 wrote:
AZ CRD wrote:
Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. .

Good luck with those,same problems you have now but parts are 3 times as expensive :-)r


Kinda odd though as my KJ has been flawless for the past 9 years,one of the best vehicles I have ever owned out of the 50+ I have had over the last 20+ years.
Chrysler fanboy. :roll:

My E class and SL class have been flawless. Care to compare more meaningless anecdotal data?

The fact is the window regulators are poorly designed, Chrysler knows it and has chosen to pass the cost off to the owners.

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:08 pm 
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Joe Romas wrote:
AZ CRD wrote:
. Do you suppose there's any chance of succeeding in a class action civil lawsuit?


There is ALWAYS a chance but it can be awfully small :-)r

A judge in New York has ruled that "new car company" can not be held responsible for "old car company's" problems :furious:


Judges have ruled Women to be Men and Men to be Women, but that does not change the Laws of Physics or Nature or their respective genetic code from XX to XY or XY to XX. With Lawyers and Judges it is basically a non contact game played out in the Court Room. If you have any luck, to be honest, you have a better chance of betting on a Foot Ball Game and using your winnings to fix the window regulator/ door problem.

I have had conic window regulator failures, including my Wife's TDI, my Chevy C-30 I traded off on the CRD and on other cars and trucks that have turned out to be miss aligned tracks, bent doors, regulators not in the same plane as the window.If you have to force something into place to make it work, chances are it will later jam and break something. Automotive bodies are not exact copies of each other and are only an approximate copy that looks the same to the human eye. You might want to take the KJ to a good body shop so they can practice their ART and make the the window go up and down in the tracks and make sure the other window regulator components don't distort when bolted down. Most mechanics are bolt it on, trying to beat Flat Rate and are not going to massage the door, tracks, regulator mounts into shape to have it properly work. For dealers, if warranty pays or the customer has deep pockets, they don't care. When I installed my left rear Steiger kit to replace the broken plastic part, I had to align the window tracks (yup I bent them) so the window would go up and down freely and not be in a bind. On my Wife's TDI, I had to put a 2X4 between the door pillar and door, put my shin on the door bottom, push on the top, and recurve the door to get the window tracks to align.

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:41 pm 
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I have had conic window regulator failures, including my Wife's TDI, my Chevy C-30 I traded off on the CRD and on other cars and trucks that have turned out to be miss aligned tracks, bent doors, regulators not in the same plane as the window.If you have to force something into place to make it work, chances are it will later jam and break something. Automotive bodies are not exact copies of each other and are only an approximate copy that looks the same to the human eye. You might want to take the KJ to a good body shop so they can practice their ART and make the the window go up and down in the tracks and make sure the other window regulator components don't distort when bolted down. Most mechanics are bolt it on, trying to beat Flat Rate and are not going to massage the door, tracks, regulator mounts into shape to have it properly work. For dealers, if warranty pays or the customer has deep pockets, they don't care. When I installed my left rear Steiger kit to replace the broken plastic part, I had to align the window tracks (yup I bent them) so the window would go up and down freely and not be in a bind. On my Wife's TDI, I had to put a 2X4 between the door pillar and door, put my shin on the door bottom, push on the top, and recurve the door to get the window tracks to align.

Did that all the time when working at a bodyshop,my knee is a tuned door aligner.Guess why my window regulators have yet to fail and yes they where completely removed in '02(all 4) for when I fixed/painted my KJ,I spent 14 hours aligning everything in my KJ to open/close,go up/down with perfection.


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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:44 pm 
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AZ CRD wrote:
tjkj2002 wrote:
AZ CRD wrote:
Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. .

Good luck with those,same problems you have now but parts are 3 times as expensive :-)r


Kinda odd though as my KJ has been flawless for the past 9 years,one of the best vehicles I have ever owned out of the 50+ I have had over the last 20+ years.
Chrysler fanboy. :roll:

My E class and SL class have been flawless. Care to compare more meaningless anecdotal data?

The fact is the window regulators are poorly designed, Chrysler knows it and has chosen to pass the cost off to the owners.

I'm no fan of Chrysler,just Jeep,I actually hate everything Chrsyler has ever offered besides when they bought the Jeep name and of course the Viper.I'm a Ford guy,well Ford Truck guy.You couldn't pay me to own a import anything but those fine sports cars from Italy with either a Bull or Horse on the grill.


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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:50 pm 
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tjkj2002 wrote:
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Next rig--Touareg or MB ML, GL, or G with a diesel. .

Good luck with those,same problems you have now but parts are 3 times as expensive :-)r


Kinda odd though as my KJ has been flawless for the past 9 years,one of the best vehicles I have ever owned out of the 50+ I have had over the last 20+ years.



We've owned 3 KJs.. the current which has 93K on the clock now, and we have had ZERO window regulator failures. Odd...

(Now I hope I haven't cursed myself. :| )


I've had the backs fail 3 times. 2 were under warranty, the third time I replaced them both with the Steigers repair kit. I'm hoping that will be the end of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:35 pm 
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If my mechanic is open today I'll have him check it out and report back what the specific failure was.


It'll be interesting to see if it's the window-regulator junction (the steiger part) or something else. When I put in mine (only one, cross fingers), some of the other aspects of the system looked a bit shaky too, although nothing nearly as weak as the super-self-imploding plastic clip.

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 Post subject: Re: Steiger Failure
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:32 am 
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Did you put the regulators and Steiger Kit in...or...was the mechanic who put the regulators in the same one.

I understand once they open the door panel, the theory is to replace everything because it is such a pain to do the job....I found it easy to do when I had to find out what was wrong with my passenger window. I was told it was the regulator but thank goodness it was just the up switch on the front window. We rigged the front window to operate with the front down and the rear up until I find a junk yard with a new switch.

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The window regulator recall (or extended warenty...not sure which) will be coming out in December.

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