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 Post subject: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:34 pm 
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I am going to lay this out with what I know, what I suspect, and what I have done... not in that order, but I think you will follow along. :POPCORN:

Background info: Last fall I had the timing belt replaced so new water pump. All winter it was really hard starting and I was blaming the timing being off just that little bit. The diesel mechanic that did the job ran into a few problems - not the right tools and then the wrong parts sent - so I was blaming him on being in a hurry to wrap things up.

Before that, and getting worse after, I have had to add coolant. At first every couple three months and then every couple three weeks. About the time of the timing belt I put an inline thermostat in to finally get some heat in the cab.

Middle of this summer I started having overheating problems. I would drive for about five miles, three if I hit the hill leaving work, and the gauge would shoot up, bells would ring, and I would pull over. After a couple of minutes the gauge settles back down, rapidly, to normal (12 o'clock on the gauge) and all is good no matter how hard I push it. Like the thermostat finally opens.

About a month or so ago I finally tire of this and decide to really look into this. I pull out the inline 'stat put it in water on the stove and see that it doesn't open up until just about boiling (210*). Ah-ha! New 'stat ordered. When it comes in I flush the coolant, new 'stat, bleed the system, and I am good. No problems. Total behavior not even using coolant.

Last week it started the overheating thing again. I read on this forum that it could be air in the system, and I thought that maybe I didn't get all of the air out as I did have to turn the heater on in the morning. Yep, more air in the system. So I bleed it again and it still overheats the next morning. And more air in the system when I bleed it again.

So here is what I know: Air/pressure in the cooling system; steam when I remove the oil cap; continued loss of coolant - however this could be from the over heating. However, the oil doesn't have the signs of water in it, other than the steam. In other words it doesn't look like mayonnaise on the dipstick.

Another thing I have done is replace all of the factory spring hose clamps - on top of the engine, in plain site - with band hose clamps.

Tonight I am going to remove the inline thermostat and just let the engine run cool.

So did adding the inline thermostat build up enough pressure to rupture the head gasket from what may have been a small leak? Am I just jumping to the worst conclusion?

I have not done a compression test which I know will give me a definitive answer. I have the means to do it, but not the best means.

I guess I am just looking for opinions right now. I want to keep Prudence running and I have an appointment scheduled in November to re skin the doors and take care of a couple of other rust issues. This is our adventure vehicle and I do really like it as it is more capable than many give it credit for.

Thanks for your help and opinions!

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:18 pm 
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so, you DO have pressure in the coolant tank after it has been running for how long? A minute? Less? More?

Any coolant in the drivers side of the coolant reservoir?

Does the exhaust smell like coolant?

What color is the smoke coming out of the exhaust?

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:35 pm 
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You have a leaking head gasket. Doubtful inline stat had anything to do with it. Mine started as a miniscule leak and progressively got worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:54 pm 
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LMWatBullRun wrote:
so, you DO have pressure in the coolant tank after it has been running for how long? A minute? Less? More?

Any coolant in the drivers side of the coolant reservoir?

Does the exhaust smell like coolant?

What color is the smoke coming out of the exhaust?


Haven't timed when pressure builds up. Easy enough to do. Still pressure after it cools down.

Yes. Coolant in the driver's side. Should there be?

Very slight odor. And the smoke is white, not too excessive, mostly on cool mornings.

I have had head gaskets blow on other vehicles, And I mean blow. Bellows of steam coming from the exhaust. This is nothing like that.

Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:21 pm 
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the drivers side portion of the the coolant tank should never have fluid. Dead HG...

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:30 pm 
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Mountainman wrote:
the drivers side portion of the the coolant tank should never have fluid. Dead HG...

darn. Thought so. :cry:

I will double triple check the coolant tank but I am pretty sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:11 pm 
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yeah, sorry man. Pulling the head is a lot of work, and if you haven't done one yet, the learning curve is substantial, or it's expensive to have done. Don't let anyone replace it that isn't experienced with diesels and dual overhead cams. Safest bet is to call in Geordi or another experienced LOST member :2cents:

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:37 am 
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Sorry about the bad news, but it does seem that you are having a head gasket problem. This will not be the easiest thing to fix, but if you choose to have me come and do the work, it WILL be successfully cured.

I strongly suggest the mods of the ARP studs and the intake elbow kit at the same time, and replacing the glow plugs with metal if they haven't been done already. A fresh timing belt if not the entire kit is also strongly suggested as retensioning a used belt is not recommended.

Where are you located?

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:00 am 
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Wisconsin. Email me if you would please bikesnrovers at gmail.

We would only need to do the ARP studs. Elbow kit done.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:39 pm 
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Driftless Tad wrote:
LMWatBullRun wrote:
so, you DO have pressure in the coolant tank after it has been running for how long? A minute? Less? More?

Any coolant in the drivers side of the coolant reservoir?

Does the exhaust smell like coolant?

What color is the smoke coming out of the exhaust?


Haven't timed when pressure builds up. Easy enough to do. Still pressure after it cools down.

Yes. Coolant in the driver's side. Should there be?

Very slight odor. And the smoke is white, not too excessive, mostly on cool mornings.

I have had head gaskets blow on other vehicles, And I mean blow. Bellows of steam coming from the exhaust. This is nothing like that.

Thanks!



OK, you have either a HG leak or a cracked head or both.

Time to schedule a HG replacement.
Recommend ARP studs, too, and you might as well do a complete top end refresh while you are in there.

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 Post subject: Re: Head gasket?
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Driftless Tad wrote:
Wisconsin. Email me if you would please bikesnrovers at gmail.

We would only need to do the ARP studs. Elbow kit done.

Thanks.


I am travelling at the moment, but I will set a reminder for myself to email you on Sunday.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:49 pm 
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Driftless Tad wrote:
LMWatBullRun wrote:
so, you DO have pressure in the coolant tank after it has been running for how long? A minute? Less? More?

Any coolant in the drivers side of the coolant reservoir?

Does the exhaust smell like coolant?

What color is the smoke coming out of the exhaust?


Haven't timed when pressure builds up. Easy enough to do. Still pressure after it cools down.

Yes. Coolant in the driver's side. Should there be?

Very slight odor. And the smoke is white, not too excessive, mostly on cool mornings.

I have had head gaskets blow on other vehicles, And I mean blow. Bellows of steam coming from the exhaust. This is nothing like that.

Thanks!


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