NEW TRANNY TSB ISSUED 7/14

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:54 pm

richardkf wrote:

Cowcatcher wrote:

swoughen wrote:

Are these TSBs supposed to (eventually?) show up in the Jeep Recall section at Jeep.com, where you put in your VIN... ?

TSB's are not recall's and they will never show up on Jeep.com. TSB's are Technical Service Bulletin's that cover lower level problem's.

In a perfect world a TSB would be there for a problem that randomly comes up on a small percentage of vehicals and the RECALL would be reserved for something more serious and one that affected many vehicals. In reality it seems that US manufactures use them (TSB's) to limit what they fix to those who complain the loudest or experience the problem all the while hoping that the majority of vehicals will survive without the falure through the warranty period. Others have stated that some of the manufactures from Japan use the TSB's internally to fix problems whenever a car shows up at the door without ever telling the consumer so they catch the problems before the failure and are able to maintain the image of higher quality product.

That's a very accurate description. In addition, on some cars where the TSB may apply, the car may never experience the symptoms or problems that the TSB covers. TSB's are like a database of common problems for the techs to search when diagnosing the customers car trouble. If you see how the TSB's are worded, there are lots of "customer MAY experience" "IF this occurs" ... very conditional.

Recalls are known defects that definetly will or currently do effect a known number of cars.

And yes, the Japanese companies generally will automatically perform TSB's where the "common problems" occur on a large number of their cars ... I have owned several Japanense, German and American cars and even though TSB's were out there on the Gernan and Japanese cars, I never requested they be done - they are/were always automatically done when I went in for oil changes or other maintenance.

For years they have called "silent recalls" in the Euro car dealers like BMW and MB shops.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:09 pm

groucho wrote:

alljeep: Thanks for the link. Mine is going in next week for the fabric TSB and a new CCV hose. I'll let them keep it and do this new TSB also.
I had read that throttle body item but figured it was old news here. If that is the fix for the EGR codes, DCX needs to get it out there.

I have put the issue with the (2) two differing warranties with the 06 CRD to the AG here. So, I should hear on that within a month. I just want DCX to publish the exact warranty that is in effect for the diesel. I don't think that several differing warranties will get the job done. I also sent a copy of the DCX press release stating that all diesel warranties were 5x100 for 2006, so perhaps they'll address that issue also. I want the warranty in hand. With model year 2007 here, DCX still does not allow the lookup of a warranty for 2006 models, as of yesterday.

As far as the transmission flashes, etc, doubtless there would be some longterm mechanical implications.

Groucho,

What's the fabric TSB :?:

groucho · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:05 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

groucho wrote:

alljeep: Thanks for the link. Mine is going in next week for the fabric TSB and a new CCV hose. I'll let them keep it and do this new TSB also.
I had read that throttle body item but figured it was old news here. If that is the fix for the EGR codes, DCX needs to get it out there.

I have put the issue with the (2) two differing warranties with the 06 CRD to the AG here. So, I should hear on that within a month. I just want DCX to publish the exact warranty that is in effect for the diesel. I don't think that several differing warranties will get the job done. I also sent a copy of the DCX press release stating that all diesel warranties were 5x100 for 2006, so perhaps they'll address that issue also. I want the warranty in hand. With model year 2007 here, DCX still does not allow the lookup of a warranty for 2006 models, as of yesterday.

As far as the transmission flashes, etc, doubtless there would be some longterm mechanical implications.

Groucho,

What's the fabric TSB :?:

TSB 23-015-06 dated 3/9/2006 applies to 2002-2006 Liberty among other models. I'm trying to find it on my hard drive(s) cause I don't know where I got it but I have a print out. I'll post it if I find it but have several drives to plow through cause I ain't very tidy. I lost a drive several weeks ago so it may have been on there. I think I got it off another forum. It is supposed to cure the water spots that turn the fabric to white spots. One poster here says he stopped it with Scotchguard but I have a hideous stain in the driver's seat that looks as though my Depends weren't on. Basically they wash the seat with a soft detergent, brush it, rinse and dry vac. The fabric contains a white powder from the manufacturing process that causes the spots.

http://www.wkjeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk_2301506.pdf

Found the above but still don't know where I got it. Anyway, that should do it.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:21 am

groucho wrote:

The fabric contains a white powder from the manufacturing process that causes the spots.

A white powder used during the manufacturing process? Depending on what type of "white powder" it is, that could explain a lot of the problems these beasts have been having! :shock:

Sorry, just couldn't resist that one. :roll:

RFCRD · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:08 am

Has anyone had TSB 18-023-06 done yet? Just curious of the results.

Ripster · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:43 am

Next Friday 28th 1pm, I am hoping someone will do it before me, but I will post
here once I have it done.

rs4mtnitro · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:08 pm

I took my liberty in for an oil change and the called it a recall. They did the flash for the trans that is described the same as the one I had earlier this year. Both seem to have been a waste of time cause I still have an intermittent shudder from 50 to 65.

Ripster · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:10 pm

Did they put a sticker under your hood with the exact flash that they did?

rs4mtnitro · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:23 pm

I just did some looking online and they didn't flash the trans they flashed the body control module which would explain why the trans still sucks. The original flash I had them do was 18-08-06. The one they did friday was F21.

Ripster · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:50 pm

We are looking for a complete 18-023-06 sticker to know if anything has changed.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:54 pm

Ripster wrote:

Next Friday 28th 1pm, I am hoping someone will do it before me, but I will post
here once I have it done.

Most interested in what it does with the 35mph light acceleration funky lock-up. Despite the problems, have yet to experience the infamous tranny shudder. Only see an occasional (rare) bucking or stumbling after hard acceleration. Lately mine has been running too well and delivering a solid 26mpg, hate to mess with a good thing.

Ripster · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:23 pm

I agree, but someone has to try it, and see if they have fixed anything. I am going
after the 2-3 shift at about 20 mph, sometimes is a bit harsh, but not always, depends
on how warm the vehicle is and how long it has been driven. The shift kit took
care of the shudder and most issues, I am trying for perfection across all shifts if
that is possible.

alljeep · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:00 pm

rs4mtnitro wrote:

I just did some looking online and they didn't flash the trans they flashed the body control module which would explain why the trans still sucks. The original flash I had them do was 18-08-06. The one they did friday was F21.

F21 is the body module recall - corrects a draining battery charge.

I'm getting this new TSB tomorrow morning.

Ripster · **Posted:** Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:15 pm

Well, be sure and let us know, I am sure most are watching this
thread with interest.

DragonDiesel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:42 am

My Jeep is "broken down" in NW New Mexico waiting for the new TC and pump. I will make sure that they do an 18-023-06 on mine before I drive it around New Mexico and eventually back to Houston.

How can you tell that they have done it? I hear mention of a sticker? Where is that located?

Anyone know of anything else I should be worried about?

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:46 am

My earlier transmission programming TSB was stuck under the hood toward the front on the passenger side on about the only piece of bare metal available. The transmission filter TSB didn't require a sticker.

richardkf · **Joined:** Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:15 pm **Posts:** 167

Cowcatcher wrote:

My earlier transmission programming TSB was stuck under the hood toward the front on the passenger side on about the only piece of bare metal available. The transmission filter TSB didn't require a sticker.

Yup, same as CowCatcher for me. I have read (someplace) where it is supposed to be on or near the radiator or one of two other places - but mine is on the underside of the hood toward the very front off to the left (if you are facing the front of the car, the right if you were sitting inside the car facing forward).

alljeep · **Posted:** Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:28 pm

Had an appointment to get the 53mph shudder checked out first thing this morning (appt. made last week). I got there at 7:25am as the service bay entry door was being rolled up - first one there. They rode along with me and low and behold, the shudder actually happened with a witness!!! So, it's now officially documented.

My second alterior motive was this new TSB 18-023-06 that says to "perform the repair when vehicle is in for service" with no symptoms required. As of 7:30pm tonight they had still not even looked at the Jeep. WTF kind of service is this? First one there and their "transmission" tech was too behind to get to it - yet I was the first one there.

They closed at 8:00pm and finally brought it inside and proceeded to tell me the TSB does not apply because without the syptoms they could get into trouble with federal laws for reprogramming the ECM/TCM - I informed them, AGAIN, that there are no symptoms. I gave them a print out this morning of it, with a detailed cover letter explaining the shudder, and this reflash - recalled them at 5pm and had the same discussion, then the same discussion at 7:30pm. Now it's in over night because they were "behind" in their transmission work for the day -oh yeah, did I mention I was the first one there this morning? My appointment was made last Friday afternoon when they were done for the week, and closed all weekend, and knew how much transmisson work they had left over - if any. So why schedule me for 7:30am this morning. I was bumped all day for more profitable work, I'm sure of it.

This is the same place that did the reflash for the prior TSB just 3 months ago with no questions asked - same service writer, tech, and manager.

I'm just fuming. I read the TSB over the phone to the manager and all he could say was "that's strange there are no symptoms required, I'll have to read that myself." You know he won't do it.

Why the H*LL does it take 2-3 days to get anything done on these things, even at the most minor level??????????

Jeger · **Posted:** Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:43 pm

alljeep. Reading your post even makes ME mad. The TSB is VERY clear that it is to be done when the vehicle is in. no matter what reason!! Stupid Stupid people :evil:

Man I really want someone to give a report on this TSB, and I sure hope I dont get the same runaround that seems to be so common. If was you I would be moving up through the ranks pretty quickly with an crap they give you. And make sure they know about it. Unless of course you have had a good experience otherwise and this is the first hiccup in the relationship.

alljeep · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:56 am

Jeger wrote:

alljeep. Reading your post even makes ME mad. The TSB is VERY clear that it is to be done when the vehicle is in. no matter what reason!! Stupid Stupid people :evil:

Man I really want someone to give a report on this TSB, and I sure hope I dont get the same runaround that seems to be so common. If was you I would be moving up through the ranks pretty quickly with an crap they give you. And make sure they know about it. Unless of course you have had a good experience otherwise and this is the first hiccup in the relationship.

I just called and it's done. They could not reproduce my delayed shift into reverse problem (separate from the over night prolonged period one). They "found that the reflash TSB did apply and reflashed the TCM and ECM."

I will not be able to really test drive it until tomorrow now that I'm stuck at work all day.

They did settle once and for all that because I had the original transmission oil cooler return filter TSB done, they would not do the latest one that replaces both the oil cooler return filter AND the main sump filter, even though it says to never replace just one. So, I've exhausted all resources and have been as proactive as I can with the Jeep - let's hope it works. Maybe the shudder will finally be gone.

The only reason they did the reflash TSB was due to actually finding the 53mph shudder I have, even though it states to do it with no symptoms required. It was documented that they found it(shudder) in the test drive, and this is their attempt at a fix - so I was told - and they could not reproduce the shudder again. Which means nothing to the rest of us as it's intermittent anyway - so, it is what it is.

Anyone trying to get this done has to remember, the vehicle has to be in for some other kind of service first - as that is the only requirement to getting it done - AND BRING A COPY OF IT FOR THEM, AND ONE FOR YOU, TO ARGUE OVER. For me, being in for service was investigating the 53mph shudder.

I think this is a corporate problem. Until very recently, the service guys only see TSBs due to symptoms and problems - as it should be. Now, it appears to be kind of an undeclared recall - but DC has not told the service guys, so they operate under the old, but correct, theory that all TSBs are in existence to solve active symptoms - not "enhance performance" as this one states. It is interesting to note, the reflashes from a few months ago specifically state "improved durability" and now that wording is removed and replaced with "improved" or "enhanced" performance.

NEW TRANNY TSB ISSUED 7/14

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